Drowning victims, especially adults, can be dangerous

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      Babel 17
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      https://io9.gizmodo.com/why-rescuers-die-while-drowning-victims-survive-1680233920

      There are many terrible examples of a person coming to the rescue of a drowning victim only to drown themselves. It’s so common that there’s a name for it — aquatic victim instead of rescuer syndrome, or AVIR syndrome. But there are many reasons rescuers can drown while many of the people they rescue survive.

      Drowning victims, especially adults, can be dangerous. Someone who is panicking will instinctively clutch at anything and use it push themselves up. This means pushing their rescuer down, which is easy to do if the rescuer is tired, or if they’ve pinned their rescuer’s arms. If you witness someone drowning, most emergency responders agree that what you need to do is look around for something buoyant before you even get in the water, get in a boat, or try to throw the drowning person something from shore. Swimming to someone who’s drowning and trying to take hold of them is dangerous even for professionals. There’s a reason why lifeguards carry those orange plastic buoys, and it’s not their need to accessorize. Throwing a drowning person something to keep them afloat, so they don’t hang on you, is essential.

      Bold added by me.
      Imo this applies to political campaigns, and even a debate stage, as well.
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      Sorechasm
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      Did you call me a liar?

      “Go and tell Alexander that God the Supreme King is never the Author of insolent wrong, but is the Creator of light, of peace, of life, of water, of the body of man and of souls;...what Alexander offers and the gifts he promises are things to me utterly useless;..." Dandamis, a great sannyasi of Taxila.Excerpt From: Yogananda, Paramahansa. “Autobiography of a Yogi.”

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      djean111
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      When I was 12 or 13, My 10 YO brother talked me into towing him to the wide flat rock in Chester Creek, about a foot under water, about 10 feet from the shore.  Fun place to sit and play. He could not swim.   So he put his arms around my neck, from the back, and I started out.  He panicked, and was literally climbing on my head, forcing me under water.  Someone noticed, and saved me/us.  A drowning person’s wish to live overrides everything else, including logic.

      Topic – it may be quite interesting to watch CNN if it tries to extricate itself from the ambush it helped set up for Warren.  Also, hopefully this puts a decisive end to anyone who is still quoting CNN as “facts”.

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      closeupready
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      She is a bully, a coward and a liar.

      No way, NO HOW will I vote for her now.  No matter what.

      The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

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      Average Gazoo
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      First day of life guard training, first hour: “If the victim drowns you then no one gets saved”

      They taught us to work with a floatation device, swim to 6 feet away from the victim and throw it the rest of the way.  Also taught us how to break out of choke holds, knock the victim out, etc.   The primitive mind takes over, self-preservation instinct and sheer panic.

      It is analogous to many other situations in life such as “helping” an addict — you have to have boundaries. If you let them take you down then there are 2 victims instead of one.

      Be the Change

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      RufusTFirefly
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      Luckily, we have some practice.

      Drowning Hillary attempted to bring the whole country down with her — and nearly succeeded.

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