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    • #425843
      David the Gnome
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      In recent weeks, the headlines have changed from the sycophantic “Oh, Biden fixed the economy!” to somewhat more pessimistic talk about “workers won’t work”.  One question to be asked is: Has the economy really recovered?  Are we back to the “normal” that we were at prior to the pandemic?  The short answer is no.  The long answer is nooooooo.

      Go to the grocery store.  Visit your local hardware store.  Try to rent an apartment or a house.  You will find that, in nearly every case, prices are up well beyond what they were.  Have wages, generally speaking, gone up to account for this?  The short answer is no.  The long answer is nooooooo.

      There is some bit of comfort, which is that the EBT (food stamp) program has been expanded and is a lot easier to qualify for than it was.  However, as the pandemic numbers go down, that is changing.  Numerous states have now cancelled the extended unemployment benefits – the eviction moratorium that was a damn poor shield to begin with, will be officially over on the first day of July.  Wood prices, steel prices, the price of damn near everything has gone up – and some of it has gone up a lot.  Yet wages and benefits are not really improving, certainly not significantly enough in the cases where they are improving, to offset the rise in costs.

      Lots of well heeled elites are buying up properties in rural areas to rent out.  Some of them own dozens, or even hundreds, between houses, apartments and complexes.  Much of the farm land that used to belong to… well… farmers, is sitting empty, owned by one rich prick or another who is doing nothing with it, regardless of the current issues with food insecurity.

      Workers are being called lazy, they are saying that there is “no incentive” to go back to work – republicans everywhere are demanding an end to the extended unemployment benefits.  In most (if not all?) Republican states they have succeeded in this.  Given rising costs, stagnant wages, you would think that, perhaps, if employers wanted to get people to work for them, they would offer more.  Are they doing this?  The short answer is no.  The long answer… you get it.

      So put all of these things together, mix them up.  In a few months, the freeze on student loans will be at an end, in about a month, the eviction moratorium will be at an end.  In a few months, the improved food stamp benefit is going away.  So how many individuals and families will this effect?  What about the millions who are months behind on rent – and will now have to pay late fees in addition to a few thousand dollars?  For the most part, they are going to either move voluntarily, or be evicted.  It is likely that this will be the case for millions of people – and some of them will have friends or family to move in with, some will share apartments or houses with room mates in order to manage rent.  Some will not.

      I believe the rough (estimated) average of homeless people in the U.S. is around 500K.  It is entirely possible that that will go up by millions.

      Of course, thank the Universe that we have our fair and balanced, trusty media to keep us informed of all of this… oh wait.

      So is the economy recovering?  I would say that it hasn’t recovered from the 2008 crash, or from the disaster of the Bush administration, or the Reagan administration.  The wealth of the wealthiest has grown by trillions – while the relative wealth of the middle, working and poor classes have remained mostly stagnant.  The federal minimum wage is laughable – yet some states still pay precisely (and only) that for a wide variety of jobs.  There is no single state in the union in which a full time, minimum wage worker, can afford rent.  Forty hours a week is no longer enough.  Sixty usually isn’t.  If you earn minimum wage, you are looking at 80-100 hour weeks just to cover the roof over your head.

      Meanwhile, the media reports about economic recovery, about the booming business of housing, or how great it is that we have new billionaires made by the pandemic.  The American dream – nevermind who you have to screw, or that you have to be a sociopath to live it.

      There is a massively growing shortage of childcare, of healthcare workers, of a wide variety of skills and professions.  Also of commercial drivers – and if you don’t think that’s a big deal, think for a minute about how our supply chain works.  Meanwhile, corporations like Amazon and AT&T (or whatever the current parent company is) are buying up other corporations and merging to further expand their monopolistic conglomerates.

      The average people, the “small people” (most of us) are pretty well screwed.  We will be expected to work for dirt wages and be grateful for it.  Just as we always have been.  One of the key differences is that now some people are pushing back, they are saying, “Fuck you”.  This is making the upper middle class and the rich quite nervous and angry.  How dare the peasants revolt?

      Socioeconomic revolution is coming, I think.  It is inevitable.  I think those of us who still believed we could do it tried the political route – and some poor suckers are still there.  A lot of us, though, who supported Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, and others who are outside of mainstream politics, have come to realize the truth.  There is no representation for the majority of us.  Our government and its so called representatives are not on our side.  The media is so twisted up with spinning the truth and in some cases outright lying, that we cannot trust them either.  Congress has been cracking down on social media companies for daring to have different opinions – it isn’t just the outright liars and nutbags that get censored – those are just the ones that get the most press.

      Sooner or later, people will either react… or we will indeed be back to a system that is more or less feudalism.  Yes – they damn well can do it.  The rich in this Country could hire one half of the population to kill the other half.  They can accomplish pretty much anything they want to – as damn near everything has a price.  Case in point… the pandemic… and the criminal coverup that I would call the greatest (well, the most terrible) conspiracy in known history.

      The news is full of stories (that even I find deeply fascinating) about UFOs.  It is full of stories about the origins of the pandemic – which I think is indeed something to look into and do something about, perhaps.  Yet what most are ignoring is that there is a damned tidal wave of economic pain coming for tens of millions of Americans.  I’m pointing it out here, because I can.  Because I am fortunate in that I do not have work that does not permit me to share my thoughts and feelings.  I have the free time to read about, think about – and write about this shit.  Of course, that could change at any time, I’m just barely above water – and if I lose my disability payments or my fiance loses her job, we’ll either be living with my parents or in a tent.

      Time to fuck shit up.  Time to make some noise.  Before it is too late – before what freedoms we have left are dead and gone.  Perhaps it is already too late.

    • #425845
      David the Gnome
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      Why more people aren’t talking about this.  It has the potential to be even worse than the pandemic, in terms of hunger, homelessness, poverty, violence and so much else.

      Perhaps the politicians are looking for a scapegoat.  At the moment, that would appear to be China.  If we are focusing our energy and anger on them, a common enemy, perhaps the politicians and the wealthy believe we will not turn that focus towards them.

      Perhaps they are even right…. at least for now.  I am going to say that the next big crash will hit us in October if not sooner.  Not necessarily a stock market crash either.  No, with so many homes lost, we are likely looking at something much worse.

      Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying it is the end of the world.  It will be, rather, a brave new world – contempt for the poor has given rise to this.  It will be ugly.

    • #425847
      Ohio Barbarian
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      @sffh We haven’t had one of those for awhile.

      I only have one quibble, David. I don’t think any coverup of how Covid originated will be the most terrible conspiracy in history by a long shot, simply because Covid wasn’t that deadly. Well, it wasn’t. It is just a cold on steroids. Maybe literally for all I know. Anyway, since I had it, I’m not afraid of it. And I get my second shot in about 2 hours.

      Everything else, though…yeah, you’re spot on.

      Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

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    • #425848
      closeupready
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      But you are correct that the pay is not keeping up with inflation.

      The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

    • #425849
      MizzGrizz
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      @davidthegnome.

      But change doesn’t start from the place we’re now in.It happens when things begin to get just a little bit better,when there’s still some hope.

      What the country’s leaders have done since Reagan is to slowly take people’s hope away.Many people now can’t even imagine a better future,because they have been so ground down that they believe that this is all there is.

    • #425853
      Ohio Barbarian
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      Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

      The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

    • #425874
      David the Gnome
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      @ohiobarbarian

      That whether or not it can be effectively classified as a super cold or some such thing – it has killed over three million people.  Possibly quite a lot more.  Wars, of course, have killed more.  Other pandemics throughout history have killed more.  The difference now (as far as I know) is that if covid19 was the result of a lab leak, it will be (I think) the first time in history such a thing has happened on such a massive scale.  There are plenty of conspiracy theories about other viruses – but not with nearly the amount of information to support them.  Right now, the lab leak theory is still somewhat in between conspiracy theory and actual conspiracy.  I think it will move into the category of actual conspiracy.  There are simply too many “coincidences”.

      So, in terms of those conspiracies that we are aware of, this will indeed be the most harmful – the biggest (most bigly?).  In terms of the number of dead, the economic devastation, the massive variety of social and economic issues it has either caused or worsened.  And it ain’t over yet, man.  What is happening in India should be a wake up call for the world – ESPECIALLY – for Countries like America that seem to be gaining the upper hand with this thing.  The reality though… is not that.

      Honestly, it is likely that if there is any such thing as actual universal karmic justice, we are all fucked already and just along for the ride.

      • #495083
        ThouArtThat
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        Hi David the Gnome,

        I would challenge one of the stated assumptions.  Did Covid kill three million people or did the Covid treatment kill three million people?  I have read that in the US that many died because they were sent home for their symptoms to get worse and then returned to hospitals were the treatment was Remdesivir and ventilators.  Both treatments lead to death.  So was it Covid or the treatments applied?

        TAT

        “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
        - John F. Kennedy

        "The further a society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it."
        - George Orwell

        "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
        - Jiddu Krishnamurti

        "Sometimes a pessimist is only an optimist with extra information."
        - Idries Shah

        "A riot is the language of the unheard."
        - Martin Luther King

        • #495085
          djean111
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          or whatever the ventilators, just going by trial and error.  And how many died because the treatment was death by ventilator or nothing – no middle ground, no home treatment, nothing.  Wait until you cannot breathe, then get to a hospital and play ventilator roulette.  My decision was, and is, no jabs – because I just have a bad feeling about them, do not care what anyone else thinks about that – and then, if I got bad COVID – die at home.  Also, no matter what a person died from, I believe that if they also had Covid, the death was ascribed to Covid.  And how many deaths were bad reactions to the jab.

          America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

          "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

          A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

          • #495086
            ThouArtThat
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            Hi djean,

            Yep, all good points.  Like yourself, I was and still am unwilling to take a treatment under EUA that led to 1,200 deaths upon roll out in the first three months of 2021.  According to Dr Peter McCullough MD, per established protocols for vaccine trials, any vaccine with documented deaths at 50 and above should have been stopped immediately.  That means the whole charade of the Covid vaccine should have ended sometime in January 2021.  Yet, here we are with TPTB and FJB still pushing vaccines over 18 months later.

            And we now know thanks to Naomi Wolf and the Steve Bannon Warroom Posse researching the Pfizer documents via DailyClout.io that in fact Pfizer amd the FDA knew the harms and rolled out the vaccines anyway.  Channeling Mr. Rogers, “Can you say FRAUD, Boys and Girls?”  And always remember Pfizer and the FDA wanted to keep the documents hidden from the public for 75 years.  And the current tell is simply this.  Notice that the Democrats are not running on their vaccine mandates into the November midterms.  They know they F’ed-uped and are running away from their vaccine mandate failures as fast as possible.

            TAT

            “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
            - John F. Kennedy

            "The further a society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it."
            - George Orwell

            "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
            - Jiddu Krishnamurti

            "Sometimes a pessimist is only an optimist with extra information."
            - Idries Shah

            "A riot is the language of the unheard."
            - Martin Luther King

            • #495088
              djean111
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              https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/department-justice-requesting-data-governors-states-issued-covid-19-orders-may-have-resulted

              Data will help inform whether the Department of Justice will initiate investigations under the Civil Rights of Institutionalized Persons Act (CRIPA) regarding New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Michigan’s response to COVID-19 in public nursing homes
              Today the Justice Department requested COVID-19 data from the governors of states that issued orders which may have resulted in the deaths of thousands of elderly nursing home residents. New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Michigan required nursing homes to admit COVID-19 patients to their vulnerable populations, often without adequate testing.

              ….

              According to the Centers for Disease Control, New York has the highest number of COVID-19 deaths in the United States, with 32,592 victims, many of them elderly. New York’s death rate by population is the second highest in the country with 1,680 deaths per million people. New Jersey’s death rate by population is 1,733 deaths per million people – the highest in the nation. In contrast, Texas’s death rate by population is 380 deaths per million people; and Texas has just over 11,000 deaths, though its population is 50 percent larger than New York and has many more recorded cases of COVID-19 – 577,537 cases in Texas versus 430,885 cases in New York. Florida’s COVID-19 death rate is 480 deaths per million; with total deaths of 10,325 and a population slightly larger than New York.

              All states with Dem governors, I believe?  IMO, the Dems immediately politicized Covid, in order to go after Trump and GOP governors, and never gave a flying fuck about Americans’ health whatsoever.  Not saying the GOP was swell, but the Dems, IMO, have no “moral ground” to stand on there.  And, IMO, the Dems turned Covid, like the #metoo movement, race, gender, abortion, and LGBTQ, into merely a campaign tool.  IMO there will be no “economic recovery” for the people.  Just campaign rhetoric.

              America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

              "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

              A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

              • #495090
                ThouArtThat
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                Hi djean,

                Agreed on all points.  And those points and more are the reason I will never vote for a Democrat for the remainder of my days on the third rock from the sun.  FJB is a fitting an epithet for the Democratic Party in my lived experience and humble opinion.

                TAT

                “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
                - John F. Kennedy

                "The further a society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it."
                - George Orwell

                "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
                - Jiddu Krishnamurti

                "Sometimes a pessimist is only an optimist with extra information."
                - Idries Shah

                "A riot is the language of the unheard."
                - Martin Luther King

        • #495087
          chknltl
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          At the VA Medical Center at American Lake in Washington State, I was diagnosed with Covid-19.

          I was sent home and told to self isolated and monitor my own conditions-to return if my conditions worsened or if I developed breathing problems

          This was when Omicron was first spreading through the US and the Delta variant was subsiding.

          • #495092
            ThouArtThat
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            Hi chknltl,

            A story oft told by many others.  And that tale is tantamount to medical malpractice for those with four or more Comorbidities.  See the video below for who Covid killed.

            TAT

             

            “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
            - John F. Kennedy

            "The further a society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it."
            - George Orwell

            "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
            - Jiddu Krishnamurti

            "Sometimes a pessimist is only an optimist with extra information."
            - Idries Shah

            "A riot is the language of the unheard."
            - Martin Luther King

    • #426012
      eridani
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      –we get rid of neoliberalism.

      Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

    • #446801
      gordyfl
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      I believe he was right. Since the 2008 financial crisis, a majority of Americans have been gradually falling behind in some way or another. And now we add the unexpected pandemic.

      I read a book called “The Storm Before the Calm”. The author said it will be the Millennials who will turn things around. And it will happen during the next decade. He said the children of Trump supporters will form alliances with other Millennials, not based on race, but based on need. He said by 2030 things will be okay, — “after the storm”.

    • #446808
      Earthartist
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      I would say you are off on the homeless count.  But other then that spot on.  I don’t know what you all east of the west coast see but every vacant lot bridge alley is covered with homeless. This is in every town city and park up the west coast. I have seen it in Colorado NM and heard about it in Boston and  and NY. I would say we are all ready in the millions. Petty crimes are rising fast.  Mean while the aholes that represent us are giving the apartheid state more money for their condome.  more money for the pentagon  and the great and powerful biden can’t make a whole sentence.

      Earthartist

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