Elizabeth Warren & Tulsi Gabbard Ditch Medicare For All

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    • #164589
      leftcoast mountains
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    • #164642
      Two way street
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      Medicare buy-in for those ages 55-64 is not Medicare For All.  And Medicare for All would provide single payer to those aged 55 and up in its firsts year of implementation.  Those 54 and under can use ACA Marketplace Plans, private insurance or employer based insurance.

      Right now a Veteran can choose either Medicare if age 65 or completely disabled, or VA Healthcare.  VA works with the spouse’s insurance as a secondary payer and if you are under 65 there is a copay.  Veterans using Medicare and having no secondary insurance, pay a monthly premium to Medicare.   And if there are no secondary insurance medicine benefits, there may be a copay.

      Tulsi may be trying not to upset Veterans right now but she must get ready to explain exactly what her health care plan and what the difference is for retired veterans, and veterans that can move back and forth, each month between aged and disabled appropriate Medicare and the VA.  And as of June 1, 2019, Trump has put in the Mission Act privatizing healthcare for Veterans in some circumstances; Bernie voted for it to help reach veterans that were in an abnormal situation.

      Tulsi needs to clarify and explain her Health Care Plan, and do it when ask.

      Bernie will need to clarify on this same situation.  Hopefully, they can be on the same page except for certain differences that each other’s plan entails.

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    • #164818
      a little weird
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      I knew Warren was dodgy on the issue but I’m disappointed to hear that Tulsi is as well.

    • #164868
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      I now consider both candidates to be dead to me. So, it’s Bernie or bust all the way.

      I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".


    • #164873
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      “Other versions of it”

      There are no other versions of it! And I won’t vote for fuckers pushing for “other versions of it”.

      I just now unsubscribed from Tulsi after making a contribution yesterday. The problem with these candidates like Warren and Tulsi is they are fundamentally dishonest.

      I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".


    • #164874
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      Surprised about Gabbard.

      Assumed Warren would, again, do nothing that would take a penny out of The Markets.  For anyone who believes Warren is not a Vichy Dem – I think that Warren will start showing her corporate ways, sorry.  And again, I believe Warren is a warhawk, and the only thing she said was wrong with that bloated budget for the MIC was that the lobbyists needed more “regulations”.  IMO war is just another market, to Warren.

      So – not voting for Warren or anyone, really, but Bernie – not anger at Bernie not being the candidate, but it is THE ISSUES.

    • #165026
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      Seems like Bernie all the way, although Tulsi for vp still appeals to me. Her mfa stance is troubling but also her support for Modi is perplexing.

      • #165095
        Ohio Barbarian
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        @lownslow I hear you. Tulsi was recently on the Hill Rising and, when asked about foreign policy, said she thought the US should work closely with India and shrugged the virulent Hindu nationalism, which is literally burning Muslims alive, off. She seems all in for Modi, which is just as disturbing as being all in for MBS and the Saudis.

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          I do think that Tulsi brings more attention to foreign policy than any other candidate, including Bernie. However, I have never understood those who think that she is way better than Bernie on this issue. What are they basing this on? The only argument that I might could see is that she would prioritize it more than Bernie. However, Bernie is talking about foreign policy more this time around, and I am also not sure if anyone who centered their campaign around foreign policy could win anyway, especially in this environment. I think that it is going to come down to economy, or bread and butter issues.

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            That’s a great assessment of the situation.

            Unfortunately foreign policy isn’t a topic most Americans care to understand.  It’s also difficult to discuss in a limited debate format because it’s an issue most people have a corporate media shaped point of view on which is extremely pro military engagement and right wing.

            Bernie has a much better world view and foreign policy. But he’s already got his hands full fighting for domestic issues that the MSM and corporate elite are opposing him on. Bernie has had a great stance on foreign policy for decades too. It’s nothing new. He has opened up more on FP this election in comparison to the last. Still one has to pick and choose their battles.

            Tulsi has a strong focus on foreign policy as the cornerstone of her campaign. With her military service it lends a lot of credence to her positions. I like her calling out the endless wars and ending our “world policeman” role and bullying type foreign policy. Her closeness to Modi in India though is an area where I’m concerned with her foreign policy views.

            I’m not sure how much Tulsi’s FP lines up with Bernie but based on what I’ve heard it seems similar. She’s strongly anti war and against the abuse of our military around the world which is excellent to have discussed in this election.

            Most of the public is on board with ending the wars if nothing else regarding progressive views on FP but perhaps coming from Tulsi they might be more receptive to other parts of changing our overall FP.


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            • #165202
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              I do agree with you in that I like having her voice on this issue at this stage of the race. I don’t think that there is a lot of difference between her and Bernie on foreign policy, but their are some differences and I do think that Bernie is better. For one, and this did not receive much coverage, she said that she wanted to bomb Syria, just that we should be on the side of the government instead of the rebels, she has said that she is a dove on regime change wars but a hawk on the war on terror, and she voted against allowing refugees to come into this country from Syria. Of course there is also her weird relationship with Modi.

        • #165269
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          Holy shit 😳, that’s disturbing!

          The DNC “big tent” excludes Nina Turner but includes John Kasich.

    • #165045
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      Come on Tulsi, you can do better than that.

      "If we define an American fascist as one who in case of conflict puts money and power ahead of human beings, then there are undoubtedly several million fascists in the United States."
      - Henry A. Wallace
      (FDR's Vice President until he was forced out by the corrupt forces of obscene wealth.)

    • #165257
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      I’m down now to Bernie (always have been) and any other choice was if he wasn’t the nominee. For me now it’s Bernie and if not, I could go with Yang. Most likely I will vote for Howie Hawkins given the current odds on how it will end up. Either way, this is my last rodeo with Democratic Party primaries.

      Fear not the path of Truth for the lack of People walking on it. - RFK

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