Enough of Warren. She's sinking, but Biden's still afloat and in range, so here's a shot.

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  • #251143

    Ohio Barbarian
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    I didn’t see much of the debate because I cut the cable cord years ago and CNN’s streaming service well and truly sucks!!!!!  Which is fitting, I suppose, for any network that thinks Wolf Blitzer and Chris Matthews are collectively smarter than my dumbest cat.

    I’ll leave it to some enterprising JPRer to find the clip, but during the discussion of foreign policy Biden said something that really jumped out at me. He said it wasn’t necessary to leave “boots on the ground” or “soldiers” in Iraq, but it was necessary to leave “special forces” there.

    WTF? Special forces are soldiers, you fucking dimwit nimrod lying warmongering Republican wannabe sack of shit! Gods! I hope someone zeroes in on this. Anyway, I’ll close by stealing from @n2doc, for this one says it all:

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    In Last Night’s Debate, Joe Biden Continued Rewriting His History on Foreign Policy

    BYBRANKO MARCETIC

     

    One of the stunning things about last night’s debate — aside from the outrageously biased moderating and Elizabeth Warren’s decision not to “de-escalate” her conflict with Bernie Sanders after all — is how far things have shifted on foreign policy.

    The previous two Democratic contests in 2008 and 2016 had no shortage of forceful hawkish voices, thanks to the presence of figures like Hillary Clinton, Jim Webb, and Joe Biden. Last night, seemingly no one wanted to appear too eager to send US troops halfway across the world to fight in some strange conflict.

    Warren repeatedly talked about the need to withdraw “combat troops” from the Middle East. Amy Klobuchar bragged that she opposed the Iraq War and that “I have long wanted to bring our troops home” from Afghanistan. Sanders reminded the audience about his antiwar bona fides and once more brought up Barbara Lee’s lonely war against the war in Afghanistan, whose judgment nineteen years ago now appears to be the envy of every candidate on the stage.

    Indeed, Tom Steyer also admiringly brought up Lee’s vote, before calling out “twenty years of mistakes by the American government in the Middle East.” Even Pete “Not Too Late for Us to Be a Constructive Force” Buttigieg did his best to sound antiwar, pledging to replace the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force with something more limited and attacking Trump for sending more troops to the Middle East (while also hoping to “remain engaged without having an endless commitment of ground troops”).

    Biden, for his part, also tried to reinvent himself as anti-interventionist. Having crashed and burned in 2008 over his role in selling the Iraq War, Biden now reminded viewers he had fought against a troop surge in Afghanistan and, of course, lied shamelessly about his Iraq War role, portraying himself as a doe-eyed innocent duped by the Bush administration and a committed war critic as soon as the war began. And despite being part of an administration that, at his urging, turned global assassination-by-drone into an official, institutionalized plank of US foreign policy, Biden now presents himself as a leader committed to limiting the war-making powers of the president.

     

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    https://jacobinmag.com/2020/01/joe-biden-foreign-policy-iraq-war-hawk-democratic-debate

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    Joe Biden Is Still Lying About His Role in Invading Iraq

     

    BYLUKE SAVAGE

     

    In a somewhat unexpected turn of events, last night’s debate in Des Moines opened with an extended segment on the Trump administration’s recent attempt to start another war in the Middle East that saw most Democratic presidential hopefuls trying their hardest to sound like peaceniks. Given the disastrous bipartisan consensus on foreign policy that dominated the politics of the early 2000s, the segment’s tone represented a noted rhetorical shift — even from the infamously hawkish Joe Biden, who has taken to calling his vote to authorize the invasion of Iraq a mistake.

    Unfortunately, the former vice president’s take on the events of 2002 and 2003 don’t stop there.  With a contemptible assist from former secretary of state John Kerry, Biden has recently taken to rewriting history when it comes to his support for the invasion of Iraq — a pattern he repeated last night when asked by CNN’s Wolf Blitzer about his vote to authorize the invasion:

    I said thirteen years ago it was a mistake to give the president the authority to go to war if, in fact, he couldn’t get inspectors into Iraq to stop what — thought to be the attempt to get a nuclear weapon. It was a mistake, and I acknowledged that.

    A few moments later, Biden both repeated and added to this framing of the events:

    It was a mistake to trust that they weren’t going to go to war. They said they were not going to go to war. They said they were just going to get inspectors in. The world, in fact, voted to send inspectors in and they still went to war. From that point on, I was in the position of making the case that it was a big, big mistake. And from that point on, I’ve voted to — I moved to bring those troops home.

     

     

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    https://jacobinmag.com/2020/01/joe-biden-lying-iraq-war-democratic-primary-debate

    • #251274

      A Simple Game
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      Joe, there were already inspectors in Iraq, that’s how the rest of us knew they had no WMDs.  The name Scott Ritter ring a bell?

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    Jan Boehmermann
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    I personally think Biden is toast….. but just like Carrie’s mother…. be prepared!  He may come back!

     

  • #251264

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    All I can say is this:

    If you were duped by the Bush Administration’s Iraq war justification shenanigans, then you have demonstrated that you lack the judgement, intellect, and morality necessary to be President.

    His body recovered from his torment and became hale,
    but the shadow of his pain was in his heart;
    and he lived to wield his sword with left hand
    more deadly than his right had been.

  • #251333

    sadoldgirl
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    Bernie should mention that he was not the only one

    to deny W the path to war. There were at least

    20 Senators, who had a better judgement than Biden.

    • #251341

      Ohio Barbarian
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      @sadoldgirl Yes, including Barack Obama. Bernie really should hit Biden with that one. It was one of the reasons Obama beat Hillary Clinton in 2008.

      We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

      With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

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