Europe accuses US of profiting from war

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    • #498538
      Ohio Barbarian
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      (Politico) (skipped propaganda line about everything being Putin’s fault)

      Top European officials are furious with Joe Biden’s administration and now accuse the Americans of making a fortune from the war, while EU countries suffer.

      “The fact is, if you look at it soberly, the country that is most profiting from this war is the U.S. because they are selling more gas and at higher prices, and because they are selling more weapons,” one senior official told POLITICO.

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      “We are really at a historic juncture,” the senior EU official said, arguing that the double hit of trade disruption from U.S. subsidies and high energy prices risks turning public opinion against both the war effort and the transatlantic alliance. “America needs to realize that public opinion is shifting in many EU countries.”

      Another top official, the EU’s chief diplomat Josep Borrell, called on Washington to respond to European concerns. “Americans — our friends — take decisions which have an economic impact on us,” he said in an interview with POLITICO.

      Full article here

      Winter is coming. 

      Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

      The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

    • #498539
      Ohio Barbarian
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      The US government doesn’t give a shit about its own people. Why would you think it cared about YOURS?

      Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

      The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

    • #498540
      Passionate Progressive
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      As if Biden was aware about anything………and Amerikun ignorance when has that ever been not the case

      When EU leaders tackled Biden over high U.S. gas prices at the G20 meeting in Bali last week, the American president simply seemed unaware of the issue, according to the senior official quoted above. Other EU officials and diplomats agreed that American ignorance about the consequences for Europe was a major problem. 

      The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.....Martin Luther King '63

      It takes all the technical proficiency our system can provide to make up for the woeful lack of popular support and political savvy of most of the regimes that the West has thus far sought to prop up.........Bernard Fall

    • #498542
      ozoneman
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      those were the words of Nato’s first Secretary General, Lord Ismay.

    • #498553
      djean111
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      Although, truth be told, the UK and many countries in Europe were/are warmongering resource-grabbing imperialists, too.  But it seems to me the US is perfectly open and quite frank about its drive for money and power.  I kind of assumed that those in the EU who were not actively questioning “cui bono?’ were just participating in the money-laundering.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" Baelish

      VFTBNMW is, IMO, literally "take the blue pill".

    • #498607
      David the Gnome
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      What are they going to do about it though?  Opinions of the general public may be shifting, but are the billionaires and the politicians backed by them going to change?  Haha, no.

      Europe has the same issues we do, they are controlled by the wealthy elite and a rabidly growing far right.  Liberal Europeans have lost as many, if not more elections than American “Democrats”.

      At the moment, people seem to think that right is the way to go because it is different.  They’re mad to think any such changes will move them in a positive direction though.  Hungary, Poland, the UK, France, Germany, Italy.  All of these Nations have gone considerably further to the right.

      This is largely because liberals became overwhelmed with corruption and greed.  They aren’t quite at the level the U.S. has, but they are getting there.  After largely abandoning their own militaries sound foreign policy and progressivism…

      They are welcome to criticize, the U.S. deserves it – but it is like writing a not so strongly worded letter.  Until actual action is taken… No one will care.  No reason to.

      • #498608
        Ohio Barbarian
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        Whatever, they are and will continue to come under increasing popular pressure and even revolt as they refuse to do anything about rising fuel prices in Europe and the deindustrialization process in the name of the Green Grift that is increasing unemployment. Italy has already stopped sending arms to Ukraine and refuses to join in sanctions that would cut off their own natural gas supply. The EU is starting to dissolve before our eyes and NATO won’t be that far behind.

        I think. Anyway, what are they going to do after Ukraine’s army collapses during the coming Russian winter offensive? Who will they send arms to? This whole mess was caused by American and European imperialists who wanted to destroy Putin’s regime and replace it with one headed by another puppet like Yeltsin. They really believed the Russian economy would have collapsed by now.

        Instead, it’s the American and Western European economies that are collapsing. They really screwed the pooch with this latest imperial proxy war.

        Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

        The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

        • #498617
          closeupready
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          And I was trying to think of an historic parallel to where we are today. The Roman one is still a pretty good empire from which other empires can learn what mistakes NOT to make. Unfortunately, since most Americans can’t place Washington DC on a map, it doesn’t appear (at the moment) that the US will avoid the same traps that led to the downfall of Rome.

          As the popular theory goes, when Rome was sacked by Vandals and Goths, there weren’t enough Romans left who cared enough to put their own welfare at stake.

          Let’s remember a sort of interesting factoid of Christianity: to worship Christ is to condemn ancient Rome’s cruelty, bloodlust and warfare, warfare which was scaled similarly to the scale of warfare sponsored by the military/industrial complex of today. The crucifix itself is a symbol of peace – Christians are taught that he willingly gave up his own life in service to the ideal of peace and love. Christ is known as the Prince of Peace. Anyway, just a random thought that pops up in my head every now and then when discussing America’s political leaders’ contemporary love for war and conquest.

          The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

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      jbnw
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    • #498624
      Scott Crowder
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      Johns accuse prostitutes of profiting from sex.

      Cats accuse dogs of chasing them.

      Bankers charged with no fucks given.

      "The possessions of the rich are stolen property." Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
      “The two greatest obstacles to democracy in the United States are, first, the widespread delusion among the poor that we have a democracy, and second, the chronic terror among the rich, lest we get it.” Edward Dowling
      "The poverty of our century is unlike that of any other. It is not, as poverty was before, the result of natural scarcity, but of a set of priorities imposed upon the rest of the world by the rich." John Berger

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