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    • #498356
      Haikugal
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      I’ve been following along with Dr Campbell the entire Covid timeline…we are both concerned.

      "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has." — Margaret Mead

    • #498358
      djean111
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      I subscribe to him, too.  He seems to look more and more tired and defeated.

      And no, Fauci, I will not get that jab, much less a “booster”.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

      A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

      • #498359
        Haikugal
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        I have some serious health issues and want to be around a bit longer, although I’m getting pretty long in the tooth so took the chance. I’m pretty sure we had Covid at the end of 2019…I had lasting effects from a bad case of what was called ‘the flu’ and couldn’t smell…Son brought it home from the Army base he works at so yeah…but we don’t test positive (antibodies) for some reason.

        I suspect that Dr Campbell knows what’s up.

        "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has." — Margaret Mead

        • #498362
          djean111
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          So when Covid shots became a “thing”, I just took my usual wait and see stance.  Nothing political or conspiracy theory or anti-vax about how I felt.  My only health problems are “mechanical” – nasty complications from a long ago knee operation.  I never thought in terms of being immune, just was horrified at the thought of being in the hospital with a tube rammed down my throat, and my instructions to my family were to just let me die at home.  Or somewhere that would not mess up my home for others.   Plus Zeke Emanuel was working on the Dem Covid team and he has always advocated for no medical intervention to extend life after age 75.  I do not care for Oprah much, but I do think in terms of something she said – when you have to make a hard decision, always try and consider whether, if you take one path, and it fails – can you then go down that other path?  I think a few times before I do anything irreversible – yes, I have most certainly missed a few opportunities along the way – and the rollout of the jab seemed skeevy to me. And now it seems to affect people differently, so yeah, if I was you I would have gotten it; for myself, don’t fix it if it ain’t broken.  And I can always get the shot – what I cannot do is UN-get the shot.  Also I am not a very trusting soul.  It never occurred to me to judge people for getting the shot – and I was a bit weirded out by the extreme anger towards those of us who did not.  That actually hardened my stance into Nope.  At no point did I have any doubts.  My sister, my son, and my grandson also declined the jab.  And we never discussed or debated it, just mentioned that we were not, and that was that.  We all stayed home, masked, whatever.

          Sounds like you had Covid and the jab prevented serious consequences.

          America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

          "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

          A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

          • #498364
            Haikugal
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            And I agree. It became political intentionally which caused all manner of issues around this and I think that was intentional as well. They don’t want us to know anything…you know the saying about mushrooms?! I hadn’t had any vaccine when we got sick, there wasn’t one. I can say that it was Covid because I ended up on my stomach in my bed so I could breath and it actually occurred to me that I might die of this “flu”…I’ve never had the flue before and most of my issues until around 2000 were small things. I’m actually feeling better than I have in quite a while thankfully.

            I was almost attacked in a shop in my little town because I asked someone to please wear a mask. It’s wild out here.

            "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has." — Margaret Mead

            • #498365
              djean111
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              when I was poking around the internet, looking up alternative treatments – gasp! – I did read that lying on one’s stomach and having mucous flow down and out was a much better option than trying to force oxygen into already swollen and inflamed lungs.  Then I read some stuff from folks who were doctors and interns saying they had no idea how to calibrate the ventilators, they just guessed – and THEN I read how hospitals got extra government covid money if they used ventilators. So, yeah, nope.

              I do not automatically “fight” authority; I automatically try to look and see what is behind the authority, and then decide for myself whether to disregard it.  The gibbering anger of thwarted authoritarians is a bonus, I admit.

              America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

              "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

              A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

              • #498366
                kelly
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                right around 1-20-2020 I had something different. I knew it was brought from out of the area, and it was not the same old sickness that crops up. But no idea what was in store. I got better quickly, or so I thought. Ultimately I understood what people were muttering about long covid, and it explained a lot of difficulties I was having.  Things that I was desperate or simply scared to understand. After decades of asthma and a lifetime of allergies that turned into seasonal asthma, it was hard to know where one issue ended and another began.

                Then the vaccination hysteria kicked up. Years before any efficacy or safety issues could possibly be known.

                Am I gonna go give it a shot when I have already been exposed and “recovered”? Would that shot take away what has already been done? Never mind all the false promises and ridiculous behavior that is crystal clear in hindsight. It was pretty obvious in real time, as well.  At least until they completely deplatformed skeptics, there was some insight being shared. Then they got mean. Mandatory vaccinations or possible job loss… Fuck you. No job loss, but much threat of being isolated and treated differently. As the shutdown and lockdown kept us isolated in ways never experienced, I stuck with my gut. I spent the last two or three years the same way I spent the last twenty. Gathering with homeless people and anyone who was hungry at a meal on Saturdays. I may have experienced some reoccurrences through the variant mania, but may well have been dealing with different bugs. I used to get sick all the time with sinus infections. But for the most part not getting sick for the last few years, outside of alcohol poisoning and food reactions.  Happy to mask up for the comfort of other people/strangers, but not keen on special discrimination towards the unvaxxed. We finally get to the point where not wearing a mask is shocking, or unusual, but that it turning back now.

                The other day I stopped in for a burrito at a preferred joint, after the meal serving on Saturdays I am pretty hungry.

                Sign on the door says “masks required if unvaccinated”

                I knew this was my last visit.  No, I didnt mask up, and nobody else is going to either.

                The $15 charge for a burrito that used to be $6 sealed that deal as well.

                Masks and jabs are not the real issues facing the hungry and homeless.

                the bullshit is piled so high. believing anything is the act of a mindless fool.

                 

                • #498369
                  Haikugal
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                  Thank you for your service citizen! I agree with you completely…amazing how things have gone in ‘their’ favor’ always…forever…and we pay for it.

                  "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has." — Margaret Mead

              • #498547
                Mr. Mickeys Mom
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                @djean111  with the insult to the lung from a virus like covid or other insult that causes entire lung inflammation, breathing in a prone position equalizes more of the breath taken in reaching areas of the lung with the better circulation around it.

                One of the things that drives me nuts as a now retired respiratory therapist is how anyone could (with a nursing or even anesthesia background) know then intricacies of a mechanical ventilator. Every RT has a horror story of some untrained person behind the controls of that device. The field of medicine suffers with a dwindling number of RTs. The majority of them are boomers or the generation after that. I attribute the excess deaths to the numbers of patients who have no preventative care except for that of the emergency room. Many less patients were being seen in the ER due to how ill-prepared we were to handle Covid under Fauci’s recommendations.

                Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

                • #498551
                  djean111
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                  techniques about being prone and thumping on quadrants on the back,  or something, much like I imagine a treatment for cystic fibrosis would be? It made much more sense to me, although, yep, I am just a layperson with access to the internet.  And likely our hospitals are not set up to do massive hands-on treatments like that, easier to just use a ventilator and stand back.  Especially since Fauci’s “guidance” was to stay home until almost dead.  IMO.

                  I do believe our bodies have the capacity to “fix” all sorts of things, and I do wonder at those who say no, must have medical intervention!  when we can see our bodies repair things like skin and broken bones and infections with very little help – cleansing and immobilization or whatever.  Autophagy.  Also, yes, I am likely just lucky, although I think some of my “hardiness” can be attributed to having been very poor and not being able to afford processed food for years at a tinme – until I realized that food in boxes is really mostly chemicals and salt.  Ugh.  Also, many many many years of trying to not eat carbs, and now intermittant fasting.  All very affordable, ya know.   I can actually make one fresh pineapple, with some sour cream, last one whole day of “meals”.  $1.69 at Aldi’s.  And delicious.  Add walnuts or frozen blueberries – better than a restaurant.

                  Genes are a crapshoot for me – my mother died of cancer at 49, my father died after a bypass operation at 82 or something like that (we were not close) – and that was either from being given morphine, which my sister and son are highly allergic to, almost died in the hospital from it – or food slipping down a hiatal hernia and causing infection.  A brother  who had juvenile diabetes.  Very mixed bag there.  Anyway, I tend to keep to myself when it comes to ailments, or maybe I just don’t notice them because we were NOT encouraged to complain about our health when we were kids, in the days of no insurance and such.  Pneumonia when I was 18, spent age 6 through 12 in a “Children’s home” with a couple hundred other kids, we all caught everything from each other and then got better and on to the next thing.  Vaccinations, of course, but no one had the time to worry about our health unless we collapsed or had a bone sticking out or whatever.  And medicine today seems designed to manage, not fix, always with an eye to profits and premiums.  Sorry if TMI, just explaining where I came from – I am not just stubborn.  Well, okay, I am stubborn, but I do my own little research, too.  I really  really value your posts about things like this, I thank you!  You do ACTUAL disciplined reasearch.  I am more gut-feeling.

                  America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

                  "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

                  A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

                  • #498558
                    Mr. Mickeys Mom
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                    … First notable was Fauci’s “guidance to stay home” until almost dead …

                    … Second was the experience of your formative years that “hardened” you …

                    … Third was what you gleaned from all this. It reminded me of a workmate of mine back in the 80s. She was a single mom left to care for the children by a deadbeat, Cuban-American, two children. She simply informed them that they couldn’t get sick because she wouldn’t be able to work. I swear that set up a brain to cellular network of “I choose wellness” and it appeared to have worked from what I saw.

                    You are better wired to adapt and thrive by that recognition. I’ve always thought that growing up (when the classes were able to be tiered like this) we were lower middle class and stretching a food budget help me recognize more than more affluent families (my grandson is an example), which are humans growing up and wanting for very little. Both of these situations are set up out of love, but appreciation of survival ensures that you will get by in life.

                    Food close to its source for me is dried bean isle at Aldi’s, olive oil, garlic salt and cumin spice with lots of chopped onions. You soak the beans, cook a few hours, mash and to that add in the onion mixture and  you have meals a plenty. Add rice and you have a complete protein. Learn how to make your own salsa. Learn how to make flour tortillas (or find them same isle as beans at Aldi) and add cheese. Shit, I should just put the recipe in JPR cooking.

                    Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

        • #498447
          glinda
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          Recently got the newest one and was sick form it for 5 days but I have health issues and actually am a person who does not get vaccinations like flue shots, etc.

          At the end of 2019 I too believe I had covid. I thought I was going to die. HEld off going to the Dr. but if I had they would not have known what it was anyways. Believe my husband brought it home from any one of his hospital visits or visiting his dying mother in another City.

          I have some long-term effects. Witnessed after I had it my husband’s mental and cognitive health go into steep decline. The Drs. after tons of lots of testing do not know for sure what it is but from what I have read it sounds like the condition some have had of early rapid onset of something like dementia and related.

          I value my brain. Plus I need to now care for him and there is no one but me to help with this.

          I do not like at all getting the shots but…

          Animals know more than we do.

          • #498504
            Haikugal
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            If there is recovery it takes time and it’s weird..I’m feeling a lot better than I was but I do so many different things to keep myself going who knows what worked and what didn’t..I just can’t sit and wait, not how I’m put together. I would get some lions mane mushroom supplements and start both of you on them and keep it up…it might take a year before you really start seeing results..anything that improves blood circulation (like Hybiscus tea)..I didn’t go to the doctor either..at that time we were both sick and no one to take us if we’d had the energy. I’m glad you and hubby are still here 🥰

             

            "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has." — Margaret Mead

    • #498554
      Mr. Mickeys Mom
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      and that was before major publications tried to cast doubt as to how this process actually should work. The thing that makes a vaccination (polio virus, measles, mumps, rubella) is the ability to sterilize the portion of the virus to attach to a human cell and further replicate itself. If the method allows replication to further strains, this process is bastardized, and what we have with each immunization shot is a leaky vaccine, which is exactly what the CDC should have been able to recognize with “m” (messenger instructions for the creation of that protein) in mRNA vaccines. They aren’t true vaccines, but now apparently they are recognized AS vaccines. It was dishonest to introduce something like this to a human subjects without a hell of a lot of iterations during animal and then careful human trials. Fauci… y e a r s  ago, acknowledge this. What happened in the interim is the horrific merge of corporatism with government agencies.

      Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

    • #498557
      djean111
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      harm, and thus damages from a vaccine is controlled by a government group, The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.  BUT – things get worse!  ( I meant this to be a reply to @mrmickeysmom )

      https://www.bmj.com/content/377/bmj.o919

      ……

      When the US secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services declared a public health emergency in early 20202 this triggered the 2005 Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act, meaning that any injuries arising from covid countermeasures—including ventilators, antivirals, and vaccines—would instead have to be filed with the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP).

      Critics say that the CICP is inferior to the VICP in terms of its payouts and the way claims are assessed. Only the most serious injuries and death are compensated, claims have to be made within a year after vaccination, and it has a higher burden of proof than the VICP. Loss of income under the CICP is limited to $50 000 (£38 250; €45 900) a year, and no compensation is included for pain or emotional distress. Under the VICP, payouts for lost wages are not capped, and compensation for pain and suffering is awarded up to $250 000.3

      Since 1988 compensation has been awarded in 36% of the 24 909 claims filed under the VICP, with around $4.7bn paid out.4 In contrast, compensation has been awarded for just 0.4% of the 7547 claims filed under the CICP, with around $6m paid out.5 The vast majority (93%) of the claims handled by the CICP have been filed during the covid pandemic, of which 4097 relate to injuries or deaths from covid vaccines and 2959 relate to other covid countermeasures.

      To date, only one of the covid claims has been deemed compensable,5 although no money has been paid yet. In contrast, Thailand’s National Health Security Office reports compensating over 14 000 people around $50m to settle covid vaccine injury claims through a process that promises quick financial assistance.

      ….more depressing stuff….

      Almost seems like this was planned to extract the most profit with the least money lost to actual harm and damage.  From an untested jab.

      Second reason – easier to convince people they need a “vaccination”.  There were actually studies commissioned as to what kind of advertsing would convince disobedient skeptics.  Puke-inducing stuff.  I linked to this elsewhere – blecch.

      Here is a list of articles from The Lancet – just reading through the titles suggests quite an agenda…

      https://www.thelancet.com/coronavirus/collection?SeriesKey=lancet&startPage=0&pageSize=100

      And here is an article addressing those of us who persist in being recalcitrant – Chelsea Clinton is one of the authors, so you know thise is Serious Stuff –

      https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02507-1/fulltext

      Promoting COVID-19 vaccine acceptance: recommendations from the Lancet Commission on Vaccine Refusal, Acceptance, and Demand in the USA

      The whole thing is drek.  But if one refuses the vaccine, one must be doing so because of politics, social status, or influence from anti-vaxxers.  Fuck off.  I have seen a list of suggested ways to influence jab-refusers – again, fuck off.  I have actually seen most methods suggested.  Like, for example, seeing a Famous Person get the jab should inspire me to get the jab myself, just like seeing a Famous Person drink Pepsi or Coke should induce me to drink Pepsi or Coke.  Nope.

       

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

      A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

      • #498578
        Ohio Barbarian
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        He had been smeared, deplatformed, and libeled. He said it wasn’t a vaccine in the sense of smallpox, polio, and tetanus vaccines. It was most similar to the flu shot, and he said that masks, sanitizing, and the “vaccine” could not stop a highly contagious respiratory virus such as the coronavirus. He said the vax had not been adequately tested. He said all sorts of things that were later proven beyond any reasonable doubt to be correct.

        Yet there are still tens of millions of Americans who long for the lockdowns, the masking, and the vax mandates because the reason’s been scared out of them with a story about a dangerous pandemic that was never all that dangerous to reasonably healthy people under 70.

        Now I suppose someone will come along and tell me I want to murder the immuno-compromised. Actually, I would just like to see them with a lifetime supply of effective H-95 masks they can wear and that will actually work for them, but they’d rather call people like us names for whatever illogical reason.

        Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

        The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

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