Exclusive: U.S. in direct contact with Venezuelan military, urging defections – source

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      Ohio Barbarian
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      WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The United States is holding direct communications with members of Venezuela’s military urging them to abandon leader Nicolas Maduro and is also preparing new sanctions aimed at increasing pressure on him, a senior White House official said.

      The Trump administration expects further military defections from Maduro’s side, the official told Reuters in an interview, despite only a few senior officers having done so since opposition leader Juan Guaido proclaimed himself interim president last month, earning the recognition of the United States and dozens of other countries.

      “We believe these to be those first couple pebbles before we start really seeing bigger rocks rolling down the hill,” the official said this week, speaking on condition of anonymity. “We’re still having conversations with members of the former Maduro regime, with military members, although those conversations are very, very limited.”

      The official declined to provide details on the discussions or the level at which they are being held, and it was unclear whether such contacts could create cracks in the Venezuelan socialist leader’s support from the military, which is pivotal to his grip on power.

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      David the Gnome
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      I can think of few reasons why they might be willing to defect.  The primary one is money.  Some can be bought, others may be threatened or blackmailed.  I hope that it will not be enough.  I hope that the usual suspects will be unable to accomplish their coup…

      I wonder though, if Venezuela can hope to resist the wealth and power of the US and even the EU.  Russia and China may play at friendship, but they will not go to war for them.  Not yet.  There are not enough popular voices of opposition yet, not enough legislators opposed.

      I suspect that if the coup ultimately fails entirely, the next move by the oligarchs will be to invent justification for an invasion.  If that should happen, we will be engaged in another war of occupation, we will likely “win” early conflicts – and then the inevitable “insurgency” will arise.

      Ultimately, little will change.  The rich will get richer… and everyone else will pay for it in resources… and in blood.  I hope that I am wrong.

      • #22421
        Ohio Barbarian
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        Venezuela’s pretty complicated, in ways similar enough and different enough to ourselves that it can seem eerie. They have a long history of their own struggles with racism, and it so happens that the lighter-skinned, more ethnically European Venzuelans are those who are most closely tied to foreign exploitation of their own country.

        Probably at least partially due to the racial prejudices of those same foreigners who gave them a piece of the neocolonial action. Oldest imperial game in the book–divide and conquer.

        The thing is, the majority of the Venezuelan population is mestizo, and they benefited greatly from Chavez’ Bolivarian Socialist Republic. We also have to remember that Venezuela’s population is over 30 million, and there is a plentiful supply of guns and ammo there, not to mention other military toys.

        I have faith in the ability of neocons like Bolton to royally fuck up, and Trump’s too stupid to stop them on his own. They’ll definitely go for a coup first in the stupidest imaginable way. Don’t be surprised if you see a repeat of the Bay of Pigs fiasco in Venezuela before too long. A failure blamed on faulty intelligence, when it was in fact cherry-picked intelligence.

         

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

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    • #22356
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      Stop with the foreign entanglements!

      I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".

      Me

    • #22420
      emme
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      Has anyone seen a poll or survey showing the American people are on board with this? It’s a small sample but I’ve not heard anyone express support for this, conservative, middle of roader or progressive.

      • #22429
        Ohio Barbarian
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        Great question. I have seen no such polls, even did a quick search and didn’t find any. I’d be willing to wager that “I don’t know” or “no opinion” would rank pretty high up there, though. The mainstream media only recently started covering it, and then only to beat the war drums.

        We might found out just how suspicious the experience of Vietnam and Afghanistan/Iraq have made Americans of government claims real soon now.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

      • #22484
        Joe Shlabotnik
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        I bet nobody in charge wants to conduct a poll, let alone make it public. If I recall correctly, even in the shadow of 9-11, support for the Iraq war was not overwhelming among the public. There’s been a lot of water under the bridge (for sale)  since then, a lot of lies exposed, plus the maturation of the internet into a critical and investigative collective.

        As well, small sample size,but judging by the comment sections on Venezuela stories on the CBC, 90% either aren’t buying it, or simply don’t want to get involved.

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