F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

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    • #11598
      Ohio Barbarian
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      WASHINGTON(New York Times) — In the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the president’s behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests, according to former law enforcement officials and others familiar with the investigation.

      The inquiry carried explosive implications. Counterintelligence investigators had to consider whether the president’s own actions constituted a possible threat to national security. Agents also sought to determine whether Mr. Trump was knowingly working for Russia or had unwittingly fallen under Moscow’s influence.

      The investigation the F.B.I. opened into Mr. Trump also had a criminal aspect, which has long been publicly known: whether his firing of Mr. Comey constituted obstruction of justice.

      Agents and senior F.B.I. officials had grown suspicious of Mr. Trump’s ties to Russia during the 2016 campaign but held off on opening an investigation into him, the people said, in part because they were uncertain how to proceed with an inquiry of such sensitivity and magnitude. But the president’s activities before and after Mr. Comey’s firing in May 2017, particularly two instances in which Mr. Trump tied the Comey dismissal to the Russia investigation, helped prompt the counterintelligence aspect of the inquiry, the people said.

      (click here for full Russia! hysteria piece )

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    • #11620
      3fingerbrown
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      Maybe Trump should have just shut up and kept the prior administrations FBI director, like Obama did with Bush/Cheney FBI director Mueller, and these pillars of American integrity and impartiality wouldn’t have started an investigation of the president of the United States just because one of their own got fired by the incoming administration, which is the new presidents prerogative.

      All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

    • #11628
      doh1304
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      Nothing personal Mordecai, but I don’t give a flying f*** what the Times says , and you shouldn’t either.

    • #11637
      Ohio Barbarian
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      Who is Mordecai?

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

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    • #11952
      Laadeedaa
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      It’s not whether Trump was secretly working on behalf of Russia; the issue is whether Trump via Kushner was working on behalf of Israel, when Kushner instructed Flynn to communicate with Russia to  1) convey the message that Russia shouldn’t sweat the Obama sanctions and/or the  diplomat expulsions issued right before New Year, or do anything hasty in response, and 2) try to convince Russia to delay the Security Council vote on draft Resolution 2334 (which it did not do, and instead voted FOR Resolution 2334).

      But of course, all news media know these facts, and yet, the word “Israel” never, ever comes up, even when the Flynn charges and plea agreement are mentioned.  Instead, it’s all about RUSSIARUSSIARUSSIA!!

      Really weird.

      • #11962
        MistaP
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        the cornucopia Russiagate promised has disgorged–Emoluments violations, UNSC deals, a sophisticated social-media campaign abusing private data, tax dodges: but not a one of them’s Russian so Trump’s being let go on them, not being “held accountable” by the Russia investigation as the proponents say

        even Comey’s testimony would’ve threatened even a popular Prez–had it not been preceded by a ginormous buildup that’d given it national attention in the first place

        ironically Flynn’s warning Kisylak about Obama’s own Chennault Affair: using your own foreign-written hoax to send the FBI after an opponent’s only pushing the boundaries of legality: using it to continue the Syrian war 2-3 years and threaten WWIII–well …

        • #11976
          Ohio Barbarian
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          I really want to see that insane imbecile thrown out of the White House. The thing is, Congress could do that without even mentioning Russia given what this fool has done. The fact that the leadership of both parties is not doing anything at the moment, with the Democrats still focusing on Russia! just shows me they are not doing their jobs as Congresspeople and Senators.

          Do they place no value on their own institution? Apparently not until their donors say it’s OK to do that. Disgusting.

          It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

          Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #12113
      David the Gnome
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      A lot of the information “leaking out” makes me uncomfortable.  Trump makes me very uncomfortable – its anyone’s guess as to what he will do if things get serious, but…

      As long as he has the support of Senate leadership and the terror his base strikes into the hearts of most elected republicans…. this will not be simply done.  Perhaps they can prove obstruction, or collusion, or something else entirely – but they will still have to impeach and/or indict for it to matter.

      This man has already said he can and will pardon himself.  He is already threatening to declare a national emergency and has already shutdown the federal government.

      If you are going to hunt a dangerous beast – you dont let it see you coming.  Assuming Muellers investigation really does reveal something criminal enough to (theoretically) bring Trump down… how will he react to the news?

      We can say what we like about laws and the supreme court, checks and balances – but they havent worked out great for us this far.

      This is a stupid, overgrown child with nuclear launch codes….

      Not saying that should stop us from going forward, only hoping things proceed cautiously.  You dont corner a dangerous beast and start throwing peanuts at it.  Unless you’ve got a net or a solid weapon, you dont corner it at all.

      • #13095
        Sorechasm
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        Impeaching French sent Napoleon off to become Emperor of the island of Elba, can we send this ‘stupid child with nuclear launch codes’ off to rule over one of the shrinking islands in the South Pacific?

        “Go and tell Alexander that God the Supreme King is never the Author of insolent wrong, but is the Creator of light, of peace, of life, of water, of the body of man and of souls;...what Alexander offers and the gifts he promises are things to me utterly useless;..." Dandamis, a great sannyasi of Taxila.Excerpt From: Yogananda, Paramahansa. “Autobiography of a Yogi.”

    • #12250
      sadoldgirl
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      @David:

      Remember “Impeachment is off the table”Pelosi? W. and Cheney

      committed war crimes and it did not matter. What Trump has done

      up to now does not compare to that. He will always bully and

      threaten, because that is his nature. The Dems, nay the whole

      establishment, keep him in the news all the times, which he loves.

      After all neither party wants to tackle problems, which concern

      you and me. Any effort at impeachment means

      a) the Dems could lose their main issue for 2020,

      b)Trump could easily become a “victim” (like Bubba),

      c) Pence would get a chance to become the incumbent.

      Thus, they won’t risk it.

       

      • #13147
        Ohio Barbarian
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        I know the establishment Democrats are paid not to admit this, but the winning issues of 2020 are sanity, socioeconomic justice, health care as a right, free education, getting corporate money out of politics, and peace.

        An all-out assault to remove this madman from the White House is not in conflict with any of those.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #12384
      David the Gnome
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      Oh yes, I remember that strong, experienced, strong, experienced, strong, experienced… qualified, strong, experienced, qualified speaker of the (horse’s ass) house.

      Sorry, media brainwashing, woah.

      Yeah, you are right about them not having any nerve – and perhaps this really is by intent on their part as well.  On the other hand, I suspect that if McConnell allowed it, there would already have been a bill passed to open the government.  It is likely they could get a veto proof majority at this point.

      Even the Republicans must realize on some level that babbling about the importance of border security while not paying border patrol agents is a wee bit hypocritical.  Some of them, anyway.  Maybe.  I hope.

      I don’t know, I checked out a few conservative sites earlier to see what the thought process is like right now.  Instantly regretted it.  Might be some decent Republicans out there, but the ones I read talking about the shutdown and laughing about hungry and poor people… were absolutely vile.

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