Fake Noose? '60 Minutes' Shreds Epstein Suicide Theory

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      ’60 Minutes’ has revealed several new data points in the death of wealthy pedophile Jeffrey Epstein which raise more questions than they answer, and suggest that the financier did not kill himself – an opinion the New York City Medical Examiner’s office stands “firmly” behind.

      The New York City Medical Examiner’s Office ruled Epstein’s death a suicide by hanging, but a forensic pathologist who observed the four-hour autopsy on behalf of  Epstein’s brother, Mark, tells 60 Minutes the evidence released so far points more to murder than suicide in his view. Dr. Michael Baden’s key reason: the unusual fractures he saw in Epstein’s neck. –CBS News

      While we’ve heard all sorts of theories about the improbabilities of the force required by the nearly 6 foot tall Epstein to successfully hang himself while breaking an unusual three bones in his neck usually seen in strangulations, that’s nowhere near the most peculiar part of Epstein’s demise (notwithstanding the ol’ homeless guy switcharoo theory).

      For the first time, we get to look at the noose Epstein used to allegedly kill himself. Photos admitted as evidence reveal a clean cloth with no blood, despite Epstein’s clearly bloody neck. Moreover, both ends of the noose were hemmed, not cut – while the guard who found Epstein reportedly cut him down.

      Also odd is that Epstein’s ligature wound, allegedly left by said bloodless noose, is fairly low on his neck.




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    • #247140
      David the Gnome
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      Yeah, we knew the official story was bull shit.  So 60 minutes has provided some evidence that further confirms this.  Great.  Now who is going to do something about it?  An attorney general?  Trump?  The “investigative journalists” with CNN or Fox?  An outraged populace?

      Probably not.  Epstein had information that could have gotten a lot of powerful and wealthy people in a lot of trouble.  Possibly including Trump himself.

      So, maybe they feel good about confirming what most of us knew anyway – but I am not sure what difference it makes.

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        Plus one!

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        What few stories trickled out make me think it was  the Clintons were more involved than Trump.  Clinton on the plane, Clinton on the island, Clintons visiting “the ranch”, Clinton blue dress portrait.  My feeling is that this was supposed to just implicate Trump, but backfired.  Also, I think Trump, as a businessman, was used to covering his butt because he did not want lawsuits, and so was more circumspect – but the Clintons have been in a lawsuit-free consequences-free bubble all of their lives, IMO, and simply assumed that whatever happened, nothing would touch them.  Really, if Hillary could glom on the the pink pussy crap and not get laughed off the stage, looks like they were right in assuming they were protected.  And as high as Trump himself?  I think there were lots more powerful and rich people involved than Trump; Trump is really a bit player, IMO.  It is the rich who do not want any publicity at all who were more dangerous to Epstein.  I am on the fence about an opinion of whether Epstein is really dead.  He surely would have had quite a dead man’s switch, I would have thought.  And Ghislaine is still walking around.

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      What I’d like to know is who got murdered and thrown into Epstein’s cell as he got spirited away out the back door?

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        I entertained the idea that it was someone else, not Epstein, at first.  But then, it occurred to me that the people who made Epstein rich beyond most people’s dreams would not be likely to want to keep a first hand witness alive.  It would be easier to control the fall out if he were not negotiating for whatever advantages he could get.

        If, as some have suggested, Mossad, the CIA, a combination of both, or another intelligence type agency were Epstein’s controller, then he was no longer an asset to them, he was a liability.  After all, the unknown entity would have had all the evidence Epstein had and could simply put another operater in to manage those “assets” — an operator with a much lower profile and less likelihood of of being caugh by his/her procliities.

        In the end, who would benefit by faking Epstein’s death and spiriting him away to a new life under a different identity?  Epstein would, but everyone else would still be in danger.  Epstein apparently would not/could not change his behaviors.  He would have brought attention to himself sooner or later and the gig would be up.

        Believing that Epstein was not killed implies that ANY of the players in this drama had any kind of honor or integrity.  That is far too much of a stretch for me to believe.

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        • #247633
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          I still do not think Epstein died in the jail. I do not think it was him that flew and caught at the airport.

          Epstein was smart. He had records of peoples actions, probably video also. He would have had partners release the information. This has not happened.

          However what may have happened is  that his partners in the blackmail enterprise are now the bosses of it and now reaping all the money.

          In any case whatever the official story is, is not the truth. And that is part of the strangeness. The three stooges could have planned a better operation. Cameras dead only for the duration of the death, guards sleeping not making their rounds, constants visits by Trumps people.

          I sure would like to see a DNA test between the corpse and Epsteins brother.

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      @elias39  I also agree that it is unlikely to be Epstein who was killed.

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      I watched the segment. ElfinWilde’s reasoning makes the most sense to me:  “Epstein would, but everyone else would still be in danger.  Epstein apparently would not/could not change his behaviors.  He would have brought attention to himself sooner or later and the gig would be up.”

      The ligature mark was not in the right place for a suicide by hanging. Besides the physical evidence that Baden explained, I think the most telling indicator is how “they” implemented lawsuits to prevent the guards from talking. You can be sure the lawsuits are going to drain the guards financially and put them in a weakened position where they’ll keep their mouths shut.

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      Here’s the note:

      Decades ago I had a friend who had to go to that prison for refusing to testify before a grand jury. It was horrible then, it’s worse now.  I’d have offed myself, had I been in his position.

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      Average Gazoo
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      Epstein/Ghislane/et al  were running a blackmail operation, rented an  Upper East Side mansion from the US State Dept and flew clients/victims to Epstein’s island for decades so calling him a “wealthy pedophile” purposely ignores the bigger picture.  The MSM can’t say much about what Epstein was really doing because they too are part of the same apparatus. The MSM filters stories like the ‘Lolita Express’ unless and until the blackmail or intimidation is activated. When the PTB needs to intimidate UN weapons inspectors or anti-war politicians they make an example out of one of them.

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      Then this would implicate the NYC Medical Examiners Office…

      I feel much better since I gave up hope.

      "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there’d be peace." – John Lennon

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