Far Right Extremists Hope to Incite New Civil War Amid Political Chaos of COVID

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    • #316891
      Haikugal
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      https://truthout.org/articles/far-right-extremists-hope-to-incite-new-civil-war-amid-political-chaos-of-covid/

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      You have talked to people involved in these various right-wing extremist and paramilitary groups and broader movements. How do the people at these rallies make sense of their claims that they are not “racist” or “violent” while they are carrying guns, waving Confederate flags, wearing other fascist insignia and in several cases displaying signs with Nazi slogans?

      There is a great amount of cognitive dissonance among these people at the coronavirus rallies. One of my favorite images was that man with the Confederate flag who was wearing a T-shirt that says, “America, love it or leave it!” So many of the people at the Michigan rally and elsewhere are enormously confused. But there are also people at these events who are bloodthirsty for the opportunity to use the pandemic to advance their goals. They see the pandemic as societal breakdown and therefore an opportunity to get out their guns and finally shoot all those liberals that they have wanted to kill for a very long time.

      Now, along with the Confederate flags and Nazi regalia and language there is a hidden symbol operating in plain sight for those who understand its meaning and power. Notice the Hawaiian shirts and the references to something called the “boogaloo.” Also notice the “boogaloo” flag, which is blue and has an igloo and a palm tree on it.

      These are references to the “boogaloo,” a term meaning the second civil war that the right-wing paramilitaries and other extremists are hoping for and lusting after right now. These right-wing extremists want to replace America’s constitutional democracy with authoritarian right-wing rule. Online, these right-wing extremists spend a great deal of time talking about the “boogaloo” and killing federal law enforcement agents. They also fantasize about societal breakdown and killing their neighbors for supplies. These people are very serious about their violence
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      Very intense stuff and very descriptive of what I’m seeing on local facebook pages. These people want a war with liberals…they are not rational which is very concerning to me. A nightmare scenario.

      A good article from Truthout.

      The DNC “big tent” excludes Nina Turner but includes John Kasich.
      God, guns, and gobbledygook...we live in an aquarium of nightmares.

    • #316895
      elias39
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      That’s KEY! Then if you want to really ratchet things up, there’s the National Guard and ultimately the Armed forces that you have to wonder about. Will we continue to be a country of laws (As flawed as that is!) or do we devolve into anarchy? Does the military support trump? Is it even conceivable that we have a military coup in 21st century America?

      I could get behind a kind of civil war between Texas and the rest of the south, south-east. We live in interesting times. But they’re fast becoming alarming.

    • #316898
      B Calm
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      I mean what meaning could there be for their reason to be armed to the teeth?

    • #316905
      Punxsutawney
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      Except for right wing billionaires who would be more than happy for outright fascism as long as they are in charge and they have the money and media hold to support this. And that’s a problem.

      Otherwise, a member of my wife’s family is federal law enforcement. I know he has a very low opinion of these types. But that’s anecdotal. And I have no doubt which side Bill Barr sits on. I’m willing to bet he’d do his best to frustrate any investigation where “liberals” were killed.

      In America, “Liberty” means “Free to Die in Service of Capital” - Amfortas the hippie.

      Most of today’s elites have the moral and social reasoning capacities of spoiled toddlers.

      “People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage...but the privileged also feel that their privileges, however egregious they may seem to others, are a solemn, basic, God-right. The sensitivity of the poor to injustice is a trivial thing c

    • #316920
      Satan
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      "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

    • #316947
      David the Gnome
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      Pretty sure the army would deal with them hard and fast.  These idiots may have guns, but the military takes an oath that applies here.  What I cant wrap my mind around is that these people are now openly supporting a mad far right rebellion – and the President has basically endorsed them.

      Mad times.  Still, these fools arent going to overthrow the government, I just hope that sooner or later governors will act on their own to have them arrested.

    • #316959
      Pam2
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      If Trump is really a Nazi all they have to is vote for him again. They already won! 🤷‍♀️

    • #317002
      ravensong
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      the popular vote and the electoral college vote on November 3rd, if he is still alive, and reasonably functional at that time.

      He has repeatedly shown himself to be a merciless, heartless, and cruel dedicated authoritarian fascist who has no conscience, and no regard for law, or human life, or any other kind of life.

      “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

      The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
      ~ Unknown

      • #317004
        MizzGrizz
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        ..and yet he did.Trump is everything you say and more,but so was George and he went quietly.

        Trump will too.He’ll have a garish library as a monument to himself and he’ll get to cash in.He will be guaranteed attention for the rest of his life.What more could he want?

        • #317116
          ravensong
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          Bush wouldn’t step down, especially after Iraq sent sour on him. and he destroyed the economy?

          Even the Republicans would have run him out of the country if he tried to retain power.

          Trump has spent his entire tenure so far firing anyone and everyone who he felt was not loyal to him, and was critical of him, and replacing them with hand picked incompetent toadies whose only qualification for their positions are their lap dog loyalty to Trump.

          The Senate, the SCOTUS, the DOJ, his loyalist appointees in his administration, and his lunatic supporters everywhere have proven that they will do whatever he tells them to do, including dying.

          Our country is in deep shit, and the shit just keeps getting deeper, and after all the vicious, cruel,  horrible things that Trump has done to the people of this country, to the stability of the nation, and the environment, I just can’t figure out why so many (purported) progressives continue to defend him.

          He’s a corrupt, lying, fascist nutjob that believes he was appointed by God to be King of the US. Maybe the world.

          WTF?!?

          “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

          The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
          ~ Unknown

      • #317057
        Ohio Barbarian
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        He has repeatedly shown himself to be a merciless, heartless, and cruel dedicated authoritarian fascist who has no conscience, and no regard for law, or human life, or any other kind of life.

        That doesn’t sound very different from Biden or Pelosi.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

        • #317109
          ravensong
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          Sorry if I upset you by criticizing Trump.

          Is this better?

           

          “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

          The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
          ~ Unknown

          • #317125
            Mr. Mickeys Mom
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            @ravensong ….. but, are you interpreting OB’s comment to mean that he must be a Trump supporter? I just viewed your intended video for him and I must say that is quite an insult.

            If I was a thermometer and got near your part of the thread here, you’d register as febrile. You must have a good reason to have responded like that…. so…. what IS it?

            Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

            • #317166
              ravensong
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              I get responses like, “well, what about this Democrat or that Democrat?”

              Yes. Pelosi and Biden are awful, but is it really necessary to spew defensive whataboutisms every time Trump is criticized?

              I don’t see anyone here spewing defensive whataboutisms when Democrats or Progressives are criticized here.

              How often do you see a post here where someone here says, “Pelosi sucks!” or “AOC sucks” and someone defends Pelosi or AOC by countering “Well, whatabout Trump?”

              Never.

              For example:

              https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/trumps-secret-new-watchlist-lets-his-administration-track-americans-without-needing-a-warrant/

              Trump is an immediate threat and clear and present danger to all life on this planet. The fact that neoliberals are horrid doesn’t change or justify that fact, or justify the horrible things that Trump does every day.

              “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

              The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
              ~ Unknown

              • #317234
                chknltl
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                @ravensong

                I am not taking sides in your debate here. There are very valid points being made on both “sides” of this discussion.

                I wish to point out that back in my DU days while Bush was POTUS, I do recall folks there who worried that Bush would never step down.

                I thought then that even though those concerns may have been well grounded, I just wasn’t ready to buy into arguments that Pres. Bush intended to lead Conservetives to take over our country.

                Then Obama became POTUS.

                I recall how durring President Obama’s second term how Conservatives held concerns that he would not step down.

                This time I had history to go by, I simply knew that Pres. Obama had no intentions to continue beyond his second term. I now knew that Conservetives were being ridiculous with their concerns.

                So the pendulum swings yet again, now we have someone from the Right in the White House and we hear from some of us on the Left that Trump will not step down when his time is over.

                We can not know of course if he will get a second term or if Biden will replace him but I have little doubts that once Trump’s time is up, Trump will leave the White House.

                I also have little doubt that if our country is equally divided when it comes to Trumps replacement, there will be those who are fearful that this next POTUS plans on taking over the country.

                (I do wonder how that would work out if a true populist backed by a large majority of the electorate became POTUS).

                Again, I wish not to participate in your debate, I just wanted to offer up an observation that may be relevant to the discussion.

                Our country as you know is divided and fearful. I believe we are witness here to a product of that fear and division.

          • #317238
            Cold Mountain Trail
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            as i’ve said a dozen times before, people like spencer would be *nowhere* without funding from the rich.

            it takes money to pull large groups of people together, to buy off local cops & lawmakers, etc.

            in this case, spencer funded by the regnery fortune, koch money in the mix with the  ‘open’ crowds, etc.

            They get press too.  who makes that happen when the press won’t cover a local anti-war event for a minute, or anything else on the left?

            It’s rich people hoping to ignite civil war, or else they just want to present the image of a ‘divided’ & “crazy’ electorate (yet we all know the electorate isn’t that  divided when it comes to $$ issues).

            What a crock of shit

             

      • #317132
        Mr. Mickeys Mom
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        Nothing this fuck-faced idiot, when it came to threat which caused pushback has resulted in anything other than his back-peddling and reverse logic on his own statements. IOW, he’s a fucking coward.

        I’m not poking the tiger by not responding to whatever Trump says or does, but I do have a sense of when paranoia runs deep, and how riled up people get when they are swept away with loathing another person. I have personal experience with this in local government.

        Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

      • #317205
        Hobbit709
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        If the Secret Service and the military take their oath seriously or not.

        I don't waste my time teaching pigs to sing.

    • #317012
      David the Gnome
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      Will be able to remain if he loses.  I do not think the military would allow it.  Doesn’t help, either, that he just fucked the National Guard.

    • #317015
      bazukhov
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      GI Joe comic books and John Wayne movies.   Wannabe killers who were rejected by the military.

       

      Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

    • #317022
      Pam2
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      That’s a big if. Especially if Biden is still running.

       

    • #317059
      Ohio Barbarian
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      I’m not worried at all about Facebook keyboard warriors. I’m more worried about my neighbors losing their homes because their pay’s been cut and their mortgage hasn’t.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

      • #317062
        Haikugal
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        @ohiobarbarian is all of that AND the chaos that will happen if these 3% types are inflamed by Trump etc. and disrupt everything along with Covid and people being hungry and losing their homes all at the same time. Shock doctrine in action and something the right wing has encouraged for decades. Destabilize us using the dismantling of our institutions and government oversights. Trump has been a very busy boy bringing all that about. These cretins have taken off the gloves and dismantled the scenery so we can see them very clearly. Christian Nationalism is not pretty.

        The DNC “big tent” excludes Nina Turner but includes John Kasich.
        God, guns, and gobbledygook...we live in an aquarium of nightmares.

        • #317066
          Ohio Barbarian
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          @haikugal I’ve been hearing this kind of stuff for decades. Nothing that’s happened recently comes anywhere near close to Oklahoma City. Nearly all the deaths caused by these types have come at the hands of lone gunmen. Revolutions and coups don’t happen with lone gunmen, and that’s all those people have besides bluster.

          It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

          Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

          • #317133
            Haikugal
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            It wouldn’t be totally out of character for me to pick up on something obscure and consider it important when no one else has so I’ll accept that. We have a difference of opinion that’s all. I’ll continue to monitor these creeps anyway because they are the ones that vandalize things like cars with liberal messaging or political signs in yards. These are immature personalities and I hope you’re right and I’m wrong. I’d like that.

            Thanks OB.

            The DNC “big tent” excludes Nina Turner but includes John Kasich.
            God, guns, and gobbledygook...we live in an aquarium of nightmares.

        • #317138
          Mr. Mickeys Mom
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          If the self-appointed right wing extremist militia showed up in my state’s capital ready for a fight, they be greeted by whoever the state calls out to protect the capital. You may get some counter protest to that event, and Dog knows, some press (after they wake up), but what if they gave a perception of wanting civil war only to be met by the National Guard? I’m gonna bet that the Natl. Guard would have more reason to fight fire with fire, unlike the Kent State, Ohio student uprising where unarmed students were gunned down 50 years ago over the Vietnam War draft.

          Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

    • #317060
      MizzGrizz
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      Sixty percent of the populace feels the country is opening up too soon.

      There simply aren’t enough of the armed protestors to take over the country,or even to launch secession.They are flattering themselves that their numbers are larger,the way anti war demonstrators sometimes used to.

      The guy talking about them is from the Southern Poverty Law Center,a group that used to do good work but got co-opted by neoliberalism.Of course he’s going to try and terrify us about these armed protestors.He makes his living by officially viewing with alarm.

      I prefer to remain more afraid of the billionaires and their puppets in a Congress than I do a few crowds of screaming loons.

      • #317079
        Haikugal
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        And corporate and religious money keep these fires stoked. I didn’t realize that the southern poverty law center wasn’t reliable anymore and I don’t think anyone is screaming “BE AFRAID” . I do think that there are a lot of unstable, well armed white knobs who would like to take action regardless of the outcome. I’ve been seeing a lot of cultural “the end justifies the means” going on in this country for a long time. I’ve been watching the Limbaugh’s spread hate since the ‘80’s and the fundamentalist christians are no different than ISIS in my opinion.

        Yes there is a lot of fantasy with these T-Party types but there is a core of Nazi’s who are deadly serious and actively recruiting. The far right religious have infiltrated our armed forces with their beliefs for decades and Trump and his cronies are dismantling the wall between the state and religion…giving our tax money to DeVos for instance for churches and religious schools…only the Christian ones of course.

        I think the threat is real but not in the way that is commonly viewed…there is the threat and it is being ramped up. That’s using terroristic actions against the US population, just like killing Doctors because the perform abortions. These are all the same people.

        I want to think the US population is smarter than this but where is the pushback? In the past at least there was the appearance of pushback but that’s long gone. They operate outside the law, outside the constitution and nothing happens. If something is happening we don’t hear about it.

        I disagree with you. I don’t know if anything will come of this but it’s definitely worthy of our attention.

        The DNC “big tent” excludes Nina Turner but includes John Kasich.
        God, guns, and gobbledygook...we live in an aquarium of nightmares.

        • #317139
          MizzGrizz
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          @Haikugal,these are basically the same type of people who got taken by the Tea Party.Remember their big rallies in DC where they pronounced that they were going to storm the capital and unseat Obama?It turned out they couldn’t pull in much of a crowd to their cause—or whatever they thought was their cause.

          They look mighty scary in the lobby of a capitol building brandishing their guns and playing tough guy,but they’d be singing a different tune when they’d be facing the National Guard pointing guns right back.

           

          • #317157
            Haikugal
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            And it isn’t about their ability because I view them as real knuckleheads, very goofy guys like my cousin Larry. I guess it’s all of it going on all the time and reading Neomi Klein “No Is Not Enough”, good book and worth a read. The Shock Doctrine is being used on us here in the US just like it’s been used elsewhere by the Neo-cons and Neo-libs.

            Thanks for your posts.

            The DNC “big tent” excludes Nina Turner but includes John Kasich.
            God, guns, and gobbledygook...we live in an aquarium of nightmares.

    • #317069
      game meat
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      We’re a long way off from that. We haven’t even had a caning on the senate floor for some time now… :/

      “Online” a decent chunk of these people are trolls who giggle with delight when the media writes fear mongering articles like this about them. As for the protestors, it seems like the media is taking a page from the Fox playbook and how they got conservatives having fits over Antifa spreading anarchy and Soros funding everything. So, they’re on the lookout for the most “threatening” images they can find in order to instill fear. “Look, there’s an old white guy with a beard and a flag. Omg!!!” The message is clear: if you vote for Biden they’ll go away… after the civil war, of course.

       

    • #317113
      David the Gnome
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      @ravensong

      The people here do not support Trump.  OB sure as hell doesnt, we simply despise the corporate neoliberals just as much.

      Trump is an assholes.  Biden is an asshole.  Having contempt for one does not mean we love the other.  You keep suggesting our members are Trump supporters – they aren’t.  That is the sort of thing i would expect at SV, but not here.

      • #317124
        Haikugal
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        I think @ravensong misunderstood, thanks for clearing it up.

        The DNC “big tent” excludes Nina Turner but includes John Kasich.
        God, guns, and gobbledygook...we live in an aquarium of nightmares.

    • #317122
      Fasttense
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      There were the wacos in Wako and Timothy McVeigh. So, now the Koch Bros are paying them to come out and say boo. I rember hearing the same kind of fears about the tea baggers. They ended up being used by the filthy rich for tax cuts.

      And there are several very huge differences between Trump and Hitler with his Nazi henchmen. Most every German really loved Hitler. He gave them jobs and food and pride. Trump does none of this. Not even the idiots who vote for him are proud of him and America. Most Americans hate Trump and we’ve all lost our jobs and he’s letting us die….there is nothing to be proud of.

      Also Trump is ignorant and a coward. Hitler was smart and in the Army.

    • #317175
      not4sale
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      They’re racist and mentally ill.  They’ve been hoping the South will rise again for 150 years.  The FBI considers these loons domestic terrorists and have for a long time and the FBI is still a somewhat functional org.  Let the far rightys try to start a civil war, the FBI is drooling over the prospect so they can show what true heroes the FBI agents are.

    • #317220
      LiberalCat
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      These same types have had their little “Civil War” fantasies for a while.

      After Obama was elected, I saw the exact same kind of things being posted.

      No, I would not put it past Trump to attempt to stay in office if he does lose. Hell, he pissed and moaned about the election that he WON.

    • #317554
      Voltairine
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      of Democratic party are in fact ruling class far right extremists and suffering from totally irrational mass psychosis.

      Aloha!

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