Stockholmer (2533 posts)December 6, 2017 at 4:39 am
FBI agent let Cheryl Mills & Huma Abedin walk away scot-free after lying to FBI
FBI agent Peter Strzok in the tank for Clinton campaign.
FBI agent Peter Strzok is now at the center of the Mueller special counsel investigation into Trump-Russia election collusion. On Saturday, a bombshell report revealed that last year, the FBI veteran agent exchanged anti-Trump text messages with his mistress who is also an FBI agent. Strzok was kicked off Mueller’s team over the summer, after the Justice Department’s inspector general discovered that he sent messages to FBI lawyer Lisa Page.
The mistress in question, Lisa Page, also worked on the Mueller team for a short time over the summer. Strzok’s wife (who he was cheating on), is an Securities and Exchange Commission attorney named Melissa Hodgman. She has a strong pro-Clinton bias, as her Facebook account reveals she is a member of groups called “We Voted for Hillary” and “Thank You Obama.” In August Strzok was removed from the Mueller team, and placed in the FBI’s human resources department. Mueller’s office had declined for months to comment on the personnel move.
On Monday it was revealed that Strzok was the FBI agent responsible for softening language that Comey used in his July 5, 2016 statement closing the Hillary Clinton investigation. Strzok edited a draft of Comey’s speech, swapping out the words “grossly negligent” (a term which has legal weight), with the softer phrase, “extremely careless.”
The Daily Caller is now reporting that Strzok was also the FBI agent who conducted the interviews with two Hillary Clinton aides accused of giving false statements about what they knew of the former secretary of state’s private email server. Neither of the Clinton associates, Cheryl Mills and Huma Abedin, faced legal consequences for their misleading statements, which they made in interviews last year with former FBI section chief Peter Strzok.
But another Strzok interview subject was not so lucky…………..
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Ferd Berfel (5425 posts) (Reply to original post) December 6, 2017 at 5:20 am
1. Is there a statute of limitation on something
Maybe its not too late.…and you think you’re going to stop this simply by ‘pulling a lever’, in a booth, behind a curtain, every 2 years? - Know yourself. And if you need help with that, call the FBI. - There is only ONE solution to this mess: New Party !
Stockholmer (2533 posts) (Reply to Ferd Berfel - post #1) December 6, 2017 at 5:42 am
leveymg (3571 posts) (Reply to Ferd Berfel - post #1) December 6, 2017 at 7:26 am
11. SOL for most federal offenses is 5 years
Most persons who lie to federal investigators are charged under Sec. 1001, false statements. An FBI Agent who falsifies reports could be also be charged with this or several forms of Obstruction of Justice, such as witness tampering, and Perjury, but that is unlikely under these circumstances.
To get a sense of why it is unlikely that anyone would actually be convicted for perjury in the Clinton case or Russia!Russia!Russia!, see, https://www.lawfareblog.com/law-lying-perjury-false-statements-and-obstruction
Flynn appears to be throwing himself on his sword, and I wonder about his stability along with the quality of the legal advise he’s been getting.
davidgmills (6009 posts) (Reply to leveymg - post #11) December 6, 2017 at 3:16 pm
14. His plea does not make any sense to me either.
Certainly he could have got decent legal counsel. Dershowitz was all over the idiocy of this prosecution.
So why did Flynn roll over?
But that does not take away from the fact that Flynn was prosecuted and Abedin and Mills were not. And there was an actual crime that Abedin and Mills were lying about when Flynn’s lying was about nothing illegal.French Revolution; not secession.
leveymg (3571 posts) (Reply to davidgmills - post #14) December 6, 2017 at 3:35 pm
16. Why did Flynn even consent to be interviewed? He didn't have to, and he was
fired, anyway. He should have just walked away when it became clear in January that Trump wasn’t willing or able to fight the outgoing Administration and their allies in the CIA and the media.
I think he’s been lied to all along. He was clearly a Boy Scout with a mission when he was the all-too vocal point of the Joint Chief’s obstruction of the CIA and State Dept.’s Syria war plan. He apparently did the right thing, even if clumsily. Chairman Dempsey was just as deeply involved in the coordination with the Russian Generals to stabilize the Damascus regime and the Syrian Army to avoid an ISIS takeover of Syria. If the Chair and the majority of the JCS hadn’t been in favor, it could never have happened. But, it was the DIA Director who was fired. That’s what this is all about, CIA payback against the designated flack-catcher. Poor Flynn, he should have known they would wiretap him and entrap him.
davidgmills (6009 posts) (Reply to leveymg - post #16) December 6, 2017 at 4:35 pm
19. But why did he plea?
Supposedly Trump was pissed when he did (understandably). He could have strung this case out for a year minimum after all the fire went down and it became a nothing burger. Maybe they had something on his son and he took the heat? But I am sure there could have been many people to step up to the plate to defend his son.French Revolution; not secession.
Lord Thomas (2033 posts) (Reply to davidgmills - post #14) December 7, 2017 at 7:39 am
23. David you might could answer this for me.
All this started with the pee pee folder. That has been debunked as far as I know.
So would everything that comes from that, be what they call “Fruit of a Poisoned Tree”.
Which would kill any charges that stemmed from it?
The Only Consistent Thing in Life is Change.
davidgmills (6009 posts) (Reply to Lord Thomas - post #23) December 10, 2017 at 7:46 pm
26. I am not that familiar with the pee pee folder.
But the fruit of the poisonous tree won’t help if he pled guilty.French Revolution; not secession.
Marym625 (27222 posts) (Reply to original post) December 6, 2017 at 5:20 am
The bullshit our country throws at us and the world needs to endTake Action #StopFCC https://www.battleforthenet.com/breaktheinternet/ "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier, it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian
Aerows (4010 posts) (Reply to original post) December 6, 2017 at 6:10 am
4. There is no justice anymore.
Only “Just us”. “Just us” get away with things that the rest of us would be in severe legal trouble for, and likely a prison sentence, but if you are an associate of Clinton, you have no consequences.
What in the hell does she have on all of these people to blatantly throw it in our faces that she is above the law!? DWS and the Awans are facing no consequences either, despite it being well documented they were a spy ring.
Is that how Clinton and Co. got dirt on everyone and possibly blackmailing them? Seriously, it’s either that, or bribery, but I don’t see the Clintons EVER letting go of a dollar when they can just intimidate and threaten someone instead.
Am I totally off base here, or is this plausible?Root: If we're just information, just noise in the system, we might as well be a symphony.
Marym625 (27222 posts) (Reply to Aerows - post #4) December 6, 2017 at 6:19 am
5. Not off base in the leastTake Action #StopFCC https://www.battleforthenet.com/breaktheinternet/ "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier, it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian
Stockholmer (2533 posts) (Reply to Aerows - post #4) December 6, 2017 at 6:26 am
7. this does so much damage to the Mueller investigation too
It allows all Trump fanboys/girls to call it a partisan witchhunt and fake news (I am NOT talking about the plazzy Russia-gate RUSSSSSIA!! hysteria, I am talking about actual crimes and potential money laundering, etc).
closeupready (1879 posts) (Reply to Stockholmer - post #7) December 6, 2017 at 7:18 am
10. In truth, when cast in this light, it IS a partisan witch hunt.
Those who bribed the Clintons for political favors are angry that they will likely never ever get payback for those bribes. Ergo, they are attempting to penalize Trump for being a spoilsport.The opinions and views expressed herein are solely those of the author.
Aerows (4010 posts) (Reply to closeupready - post #10) December 6, 2017 at 4:27 pm
17. I hadn't thought of it that way
but yes, you are absolutely right!Root: If we're just information, just noise in the system, we might as well be a symphony.
Koko (4303 posts) (Reply to original post) December 6, 2017 at 6:23 am
6. A snip more from the Daily Caller link
Top Clinton Aides Face No Charges After Making False Statements To FBI
9:20 PM 12/04/2017
At the time, Strzok was the FBI’s top investigator on the fledgling investigation into Russian interference in the presidential campaign. He was appointed to supervise that effort at the end of July 2016, just weeks after the conclusion of the Clinton email probe. CNN reported on Monday that as the FBI’s No. 2 counterintelligence official, Strzok signed the documents that officially opened the collusion inquiry.
The starkly different outcomes from Strzok’s interviews — a felony charge against Flynn and a free pass to Mills and Abedin — are sure to raise questions from Republicans about double-standards in the FBI’s two most prominent political investigations. FBI Director Christopher Wray will likely be pressed on the Strzok scandal on Thursday when he attends an oversight hearing before the House Judiciary Committee.
Strzok was also a prominent part of the Clinton investigation, so much so that he conducted all of the most significant interviews in the case.
Along with Justice Department attorney David Laufman, Strzok interviewed Clinton herself on July 2, 2016. The pair also interviewed Mills, Abedin and two other Clinton aides, Jake Sullivan and Heather Samuelson.
Stockholmer (2533 posts) (Reply to Koko - post #6) December 6, 2017 at 6:30 am
Koko (4303 posts) (Reply to Stockholmer - post #8) December 6, 2017 at 6:38 am
9. Yep…Poison Pill and….
“…well both sides (parties) are involved…so, lets do a sham investigation.”
Aerows (4010 posts) (Reply to Stockholmer - post #8) December 6, 2017 at 4:28 pm
Caught between Scylla and Charybdis.Root: If we're just information, just noise in the system, we might as well be a symphony.
Peace Patriot (2819 posts) (Reply to original post) December 6, 2017 at 8:46 am
12. The "unlucky" Strzok interviewee was General Flynn. Read on!
This tale is almost unbelievable, except that it is very well documented and none of us (here at JPR anyway) is naive about the Clinton/CIA/1%-er/Neo-Lib-Con faction of the Deep State.
Cheryl Mills and Huma Abedin CLEARLY lied to the FBI. Flynn, on the other hand, was clearly and deliberately entrapped by the FBI, and, at bottom, did nothing illegal, or even unusual, in contacting the Russian ambassador on behalf of president-elect Trump.** Flynn may be as corrupt as anybody in our benighted Establishment, but they did not target him for corruption but rather targeted him in an effort to find evidence for the CIA’s Big Lie, “Russia did it.” No such evidence was ever going to be found – in this or any other investigation – so they entrapped him using illicit recordings of his conversations, which he did not know they possessed, and required him to answer their questions from memory.
FBI agent Strzok belongs in jail. Comey likely belongs in jail. I’m coming to the conclusion that Mueller may belong in jail. The CIA needs to be broken “into a thousand pieces and scattered to the winds,” as JFK vowed to do. And maybe the FBI, too.
Our problem is that we are no longer in the “lesser of two evils” territory. Both Trump and his nation-wrecking billionaires’ tax heist, and his other nation-wrecking, and a Democratic Party run by the Neo-Lib/Neo-Con CIA and its cabal of billionaires, banksters and war profiteers, are ruinous to our country and to 99% of our people. The latter boiled us frogs with the bankster heist, “free trade for the rich” and the ever-expanding Neo-Con war, and the former – the Koch brothers’ billionaire faction – are eating us frogs for snacks.
How do boiling frogs rebel? We need smart frogs to jump out of the pot before they die and turn off the burner! I was thinking the other day about a General Strike. That is an historical tactic for people in our situation – a strike of all workers – but a General Strike of workers has a number of problems, the main one being that our Overlords (both sides) don’t give a fuck about workers and would simply fire everybody and find scabs to replace them, creating internal battles among “We, the People,” and they have other potential retaliations (stopping Social Security checks, for instance). They can do without uppity workers and the old and the sick – they would be delighted to be rid of us. What can they NOT do without?
A Consumer General Strike! A week without buying anything – or only buying from co-ops, small businesses selling local products, like that. A week of barter trade. A week of sharing and cooperative living. A week of seeing how much we can do without and still be happy and well-fed. A week of community organizing. A week of joy. Or a month. Or more. Think of all the ad hoc communal structures that would arise! We will need spokespersons to present our demands. (I can think of some mightily eloquent ones!) When (if) we call off the consumer protest, we end with a March of the Pitchforks on Washington DC.
I can think of a number of fundamental demands. I imagine you-all can think of some, too. But the more important point is to hurt these fuckwad Overlords in their board rooms. They still need us as consumers (including small investors!) – maybe not for long – but currently. We don’t have much power any more as voters or workers. We still have the power of the purchase – and another power – tax payments. We could stop buying and stop sending them our tax money, en masse.
First they ignore you,
then they laugh at you,
then they fight you,
then you win.
The reason “you win” is that such fights as Mahatma Gandhi undertook – and a consumer strike would be very much in his tradition – is that the fight benefits the vast majority of people, who ultimately realize that and join you. The majority can’t be ignored for long; the majority can’t be laughed at for long; and the majority can’t be fought for long, because it is the majority. Therefore, you win. And if you don’t win, the consequences to the ruling minority, are far worse than if they decide to yield to the benefit of the majority. Bloody revolution. The guillotine. A complete upending of their power and position. Few Overlords actually want massive social disorder (the Koch brothers may be an exception). They have kids; they like their comforts – like all human beings. In our tinderbox of a country, with massive weaponry all around us and aimed at us, things could get out of hand pretty quickly. Our Overlords most certainly have plans for brutal, lethal repression of violent rebellion, and have long used just-short-of lethal brutality against peaceful protestors.**** But what if we don’t present them with that opportunity, and instead move directly against their profits and their stock prices by a massive boycott of their products? The target is not their products but rather their corrosive, corrupting, and highly destructive control of our politicians, our voting system, broadcast and print media, and all the levers of government. And our demands would be aimed at forcing them to yield that power back to “We, the People.”
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**(It is so ironical that what Flynn wanted from the Russians was, a) help to stop an anti-Israel resolution at the UN, and b) no over-reaction by Russia to Obama’s last-minute sanctions (de-escalation of tensions).
****(I was a legal monitor at Seattle ’99. When the robocop machine was about to move against hundreds of peaceful, sitting protestors in an intersection, I quietly asked one of the robocops, “What are you going to do to them?” His answer, “We’re not going to kill them.” What followed was the most brutal attack on unresisting human beings that I have ever personally witnessed. I knew then that the have’s were at war with the have-not’s, and it was not going to get better any time soon. That was with President Bill Clinton in town and remotely presiding over the have’s opening battle against us.)
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Stockholmer (2533 posts) (Reply to Peace Patriot - post #12) December 6, 2017 at 9:09 am
hopemountain (2336 posts) (Reply to Peace Patriot - post #12) December 6, 2017 at 5:46 pm
20. excellent, thanks, peace patriot – please
make your suggestion for a consumer general strike an op – which may be pinned (@marym625). in this way we can forward your op to others on the net and get this show on the road – perhaps by early spring!"economic and environmental justice is spiritual work." ~ tom b. k. goldtooth .... "question everything – including, organizations touting labels proclaiming stewardship of living things and high ideals when in truth, they fanatically practice the stewardship of exploitation, greed, and destruction."
Marym625 (27222 posts) (Reply to hopemountain - post #20) December 6, 2017 at 6:28 pm
21. Thank you
Peace Patriot (2819 posts) (Reply to hopemountain - post #20) December 7, 2017 at 12:26 pm
25. Done! Here's the frog part as an OP…
Coldmountaintrail (3633 posts) (Reply to Peace Patriot - post #12) December 6, 2017 at 7:12 pm
22. I was at wto too. lived in seattle at the time. it was surreal, going home
& watching the fake news run the same pictures of black block types breaking the same window, over and over
Peace Patriot (2819 posts) (Reply to Coldmountaintrail - post #22) December 7, 2017 at 11:11 am
24. I remember that foot & that window x100 on the Fake News.
Us 50,000 peaceful protestors were running around trying to stop these handful of black-masked, obviously well-paid youth having a great lark kicking in windows and setting buses on fire, while the cops did nothing! They beat up and tear-gassed and brutally arrested and detained us and let the vandals continue. Surreal is the word.
What struck me most about the robocop’s reply to my, “What are you going to do to them?” – “We’re not going to kill them” – was, that obviously killing had been discussed.
What they did INSTEAD was to let the CIA News do its magic mind-fucking of the American people by turning the 50,000 into the vandals. This massive police riot was exposed in detail at Seattle City Council hearings, later on, which of course, got completely ignored in the propaganda newsstream.
The war against the American people had begun. And it was our Democratic leaders who waged the first battles against us, and have been complicit in every battle against us since that time, including the one that I feel needs the most notice: The plague of private, corporate, ‘TRADE SECRET’ voting systems, fast-tracked all over the land during the 2002 to 2004 period. You want to know how we got an 8%-approval-rating Congress, that represents no one? This is how. From the secretive, undemocratic proceedings of the WTO to the privatization of the very counting of our votes!
A Consumer General Strike might bring it all to a head. In my opinion, our first demand should be restoration of vote counting to the public venue.
TRex (3355 posts) (Reply to original post) December 6, 2017 at 3:31 pm
15. What a bunch of bullshit! Again, why are these criminals above the law?
Politics corrupts everything it touches. I hope Mills and Abedin have to face their day in court, I have no doubt their cult members are happy they got away with such a huge crime.Oh sweety, no just no, when I or those of us here talk about the ultra rich - it is NOT you! Not you by a longshot, oh my God did you think...no way you actually thought we meant you? Lord, this country is full of rich stupid people and you seem to be one of the worst. No sweety, you are just a low paid pawn to those ultra rich we talk about. They are wrecking the world, you are an enabler and I understand not being able to sleep at night. I wouldn't either, selling out our future. You have kids right?