FBI probing if foreign governments, groups funded extremists who helped execute Capitol attack

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    • #395575
      NJCher
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      As part of the investigation, the FBI is examining payments of $500,000 in bitcoin to key figures and groups in the alt-right before the Jan. 6 riot.

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      WASHINGTON — The FBI is investigating whether foreign governments, organizations or individuals provided financial support to extremists who helped plan and execute the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, one current and one former FBI official told NBC News.

      As part of the investigation, the bureau is examining payments of $500,000 in bitcoin, apparently by a French national, to key figures and groups in the alt-right before the riot, the sources said. Those payments were documented and posted on the web this week by a company that analyzes cryptocurrency transfers. Payments of bitcoin, a cryptocurrency, can be traced because they are documented on a public ledger.

      Separately, a joint threat assessment issued this week by the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security and various other federal and D.C.-area police agencies noted that since the Jan. 6 riot, “Russian, Iranian, and Chinese influence actors have seized the opportunity to amplify narratives in furtherance of their policy interest amid the presidential transition.”

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      The examination of possible foreign influence related to the Capitol riot, which involves the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division, comes after years of what current and former FBI officials say is mounting evidence that Russia and other foreign adversaries have sought to secretly support political extremists on the far right and far left. Law enforcement officials and terrorism experts say there has long been “a mutual affection between Western white supremacists and the Russian government,” as two scholars put it in a February paper on the JustSecurity web site.

    • #395584
      GZeusH
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      If they were in the basement and in the attic,

      If they were crawling through the pantry, eating all my food;

      If they were scurrying through my walls and pooping in my closets;

      If they were gnawing on the electrical cords and the baseboards;

      If they were everywhere in sight,

      I’d blame that goddamned cat across town for not being a good mouser.

       

      Corporate America consists of totalitarian entities laser-focused on short-term greed.

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      • #395627
        ArtfromArk
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        That Darn Cat!

        “There’s a new spirit abroad in the land. The old days of ‘grab and greed’ are on their way out. We’re beginning to think of what we owe the other fellow, not just what we’re compelled to give him. The time’s coming… when we shan’t be able to fill our bellies in comfort while others go hungry, sleep in warm beds while others shiver in the cold.... And God willing, we’ll live to see that day…” Basil Rathbone,"Sherlock Holmes Faces Death" (Universal 1943)

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        Koko
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        Published: Jan. 17, 2021 at 4:25 p.m. ET

        WASHINGTON — Members of President Donald Trump’s failed presidential campaign played key roles in orchestrating the Washington rally that spawned a deadly assault on the U.S. Capitol, according to an Associated Press review of records, undercutting claims the event was the brainchild of the president’s grassroots supporters.

        A pro-Trump nonprofit group called Women for America First hosted the “Save America Rally” on Jan. 6 at the Ellipse, an oval-shaped, federally owned patch of land near the White House. But an attachment to the National Park Service public gathering permit granted to the group lists more than half a dozen people in staff positions for the event who just weeks earlier had been paid thousands of dollars by Trump’s 2020 reelection campaign. Other staff scheduled to be “on site” during the demonstration have close ties to the White House.

         

    • #395585
      NJCher
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      jbnw
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      France is a surprise, and I guess China doesn’t become immune until January 20th – then I expect the anti-China rhetoric to quickly and quietly disappear.

    • #395601
      Scott Crowder
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      Have a history of running their ops through France.  The October Surprise.  Contras.  Iraq.

      If you haven’t read the series, the Usual Suspects are American fascist neocons run by Israel.

    • #395695
      djean111
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      That is my surmise, anyway.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      Everything I post is just my opinion, and, honestly, I would love to be wrong.

    • #395795
      3fingerbrown
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      It is funny how Israel or Saudi Arabia are never brought up when it comes to foreign financing, or connections to, all these “suspected” operations.

      All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

    • #395798
      NJCher
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      The issue is if there was any type of foreign influence in this insurrection.

      If you want to start a thread on the U.S. meddling in the affairs of other nations, by all means, do so.

    • #395855
      sadoldgirl
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      You have to understand that after that idiotic Russia gate, as well as attacks

      on other countries, that outside of believers in these accusations, a lot of

      suspicion is raised about these FBI probings. As a matter of fact, after all

      their attacks on muslim communities, and their lies about the Clinton e-mails,

      why should anyone with a critical mind believe their “probings”? Before looking

      for outside interference we should look at the inside ones.

      • #396040
        NJCher
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        As a matter of fact, after all their attacks on muslim communities, and their lies about the Clinton e-mails,

        why should anyone with a critical mind believe their “probings”?

        ++ I have a hard time with believing they are the same organization they were back at the time of the Clinton emails. First, in any organization, there is attrition.  Second, the FBI was subjected to four years of Trump, when many left their jobs. Third, who is the person(s) who mastermind this deception?  I do not in any way, shape or form believe that Democrats are capable of any kind of organized, long-term deception.

        I do believe HRC latched onto blaming Russia in a way similar to Trump blaming widescale election fraud for his loss. Remember what Will Rogers said: ““I am not a member of any organized political party — I am a Democrat. ”

        Before looking for outside interference we should look at the inside ones.

        ++We should look at both at the same time.  What if the donations came from U.S. foreign nationals?

        There seems to be a kneejerk reaction here that looking at outside influence is equivalent to blaming outside influences. I did not write that, nor did I imply that.

    • #395879
      Ohio Barbarian
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      Let’s not lose sight of the fact that no matter what any “foreign actors” did, it pales in comparison to homegrown and imposed neoliberal policies here caused the situation that allowed Trump to be elected in the first place because the last poster child of those policies was such an execrable candidate championing those same hated policies.

      All of this investigation of foreign money is mainly an excuse for the Democrats to not look in the mirror for the primary causes.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #396025
      NJCher
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      one has nothing to do with the other. I like to stick to the subject I defined. If you want to start another thread on how the U.S. interferes in the elections of other countries, you should do so.

      All of this investigation of foreign money is mainly an excuse for the Democrats to not look in the mirror for the primary causes.

      Re your above statement, aren’t you giving them too much credit?  Really, do you think they’re that organized and that clever?   They are so psychologically astute that they invent this investigation so they don’t have to look at their own actions?

      I wouldn’t give them that much credit.

      In regard to your question “so what,” that cannot be answered until all the information comes in. That is the purpose of an investigation.

    • #397076
      Spud Demon
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      I heard (unverified) that Virginia Lamp Thomas (wife of Clarence Thomas) funded 70 busses to bring the “protesters” to DC.

    • #397675
      peacecorps
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      to tell what the investigation will uncover, I suppose.

      Ain’t it always those evil ‘feriners’ who stir up our government-loving citizens!

      The Big Lie: "Make the lie big, Make it simple, Keep saying it, And eventually they will believe it." AH.

      "Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect." JG

      National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not solved with more nationalism.

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