Fox's Brit Hume says it’s an “entirely reasonable viewpoint” to expect that grandparents would be willing to die to protect the economy

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      BRIT HUME: Well, I think he’s essentially saying something that’s not terribly different from what the president and Governor Cuomo have been saying. Which is that this, what we’re living in now, this circumstance as we try to beat this virus, is not sustainable. That the utter collapse of the country’s economy, which many think will happen if this goes on much longer, is an intolerable result. And that, he is saying, for his own part, that he’d be willing to take a risk of getting the disease if that’s what it took to allow the economy to move forward. And he said that because he’s late in life, you know, that he would be perhaps more willing then he might’ve been and a younger age. Which seems to me to be an entirely reasonable viewpoint.

      Now, I guess a lot of people think that, you know, as your previous guest just suggested, that, you know, any kind of risk with anybody’s life is intolerable. And I think, you know, we live with the risk of, you know, seasonal influenza every year and thousands upon thousands die from it. But we do not, as has been pointed out, shut down the economy to combat it. Now look, the mortality rate from this is higher enough that it makes it alarming. So it’s obviously a much more, a special kind of case. But there we are. You know, we don’t shut down the economy to save every single life that’s threatened by a wide-spread disease. We just don’t.

    • #292384
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      And what a clear explanation, deserving of damnation, of the way the USA actually works.

    • #292406
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      So that they can show us how it’s done.

      I don't waste my time teaching pigs to sing.

    • #292407
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      ..who once,long ago,wrote a good compassionate book about the lives of coal miners and their struggles to get a decent union.

      Money doth corrupt.

    • #292428
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      The ‘Useless eaters” that Kissinger spoke of.


      I will point out that Trump is a Grandfather. As are many in CONgress…

    • #292440
      David the Gnome
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      Not to expect them to, not to ask them to, not to sacrifice them on the altar of some damned moronic notion of economic prosperity – that was always moronic.  The 1% get richer and richer, wealth trickles down to the rest of us (more like golden showers, you ask me) and everything gets fucked in the process.  The virus was largely ignored – for the sake of the greater economy.  Even a temporary shutdown of our borders and ports, a damn blockade, if necessary, would have gone a long way towards avoiding the clusterfuck we are now in the middle of.  Politicians made those decisions.  The Trump administration – the wealthy, social, political and media elite.  The corporations and their cowardly, self serving, sociopathic executives.

      I’ll say it plainly.  No one should have to sacrifice their lives for what was an entirely avoidable disaster.  We are past the point of avoiding it now – but I would rather watch this absurd, cruel economy crumble into dust than watch my people die.  It isn’t money that builds bridges.  It isn’t money that treats patients, or grows food, or delivers it.  It is hands, feet, bodies, it is people.  It is the working class, every day.  It is and was the older among us, so many of whom can’t retire, so many of whom are working into their 70s now, who have worked their whole damn lives in a Country, in an economy that does not give a damn about them.  For people, corporations, politicians and so on – that have not even the least bit of regard for their lives.

      I am all for taking the gaggle of fucking morons – Dan Patrick, Joe Biden, Brite Hume, Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi – and oh so many others – and letting THEM fucking see it up close.  Lets draft them as disaster relief, put them in the hardest hit areas, let them see exactly what their policies, their advice, their oh so noble wisdom, has brought to pass.  Or we can dispense with that idea, and simply serve humanity by removing all of them from their positions.  We can let them see how prisoners live – and I guarantee you, that if the 1% saw that, prison reform would suddenly become an urgent issue in America.

      Do you know what cash, digital numbers, or even gold and gems are worth when it comes down to having food and supplies?  Not a damned thing.  If you have one million dollars, but no grocery store, hospital, or service has the means or goods to serve you, that wealth is then utterly useless.  It is our perception of wealth that gives it value – and it has no value if food and supplies run out.  It has no value when the dead are filling the hospitals, homes, even the streets.

      Maybe the coronavirus will show us that – maybe not.  Maybe it will take a second wave that is even worse, or a larger, much worse pandemic.  What is the economy worth, at the end of the day, when compared to the lives of our citizens?  Nothing.  Not a damn thing.  Life is important.  Food is important.  Water, shelter – they are important.  The good of the many is important.  The greed of the few is why we are where we are today.  It is damning us all.

    • #292441
      A Simple Game
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      Let us know your departure time, this great-grandfather will try to be there to help push you away from shore.  Just don’t expect me to join you.

    • #292443
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      They saw the movie.

      We’re now facing elder GENOCIDE.

      And it’s being advocated by the INSANE GOP.



    • #292522
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      It is sad when people put money ahead of their fellow human beings. It is even more sad when people can get this message across on national TV and get paid for doing it.

      If you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit WC Fields

    • #292531
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      Roger’s waiting for you….

      "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

    • #292534
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      I mean the reality is that–as someone in another thread mentioned–sacrificing some to save more is a decision that every captain and general has to make at some point. And we may very well be approaching that point with this…and in this moment the “some” are older US citizens.

      But we don’t know because this whole event has been so badly mishandled. Think this through; everybody goes back to work. All the people in day-to-day contact with each other get sick. Many need to be hospitalized, and some will die. Meanwhile, the oldsters are sequestered in their homes doing fine, because they were not in contact with the virus. Doesn’t change a thing.  Therefore, is the plan for the young working family to infect Gramma when they visit on Saturday? If so that is some seriously diabolical malevolent shit.

      Other than to not make SS payments, what does sacrificing people over 65 do to stem the spread of the virus? The only way this could work is if everyone who is not retired is immune, and if someone accidentally brings the virus to an oldster…that’s the sacrifice we are talking about. If that is the case then the advocates of elder genocide are also ignorant in addition to being wicked.

      The reality is we may be entering an era of the nation having to deal with some things about which we are very squeamish. For example, if we reach that point where doctors are literally having to decide who lives and who dies–given that dying from COVID19 is torturous and agonizing–will the patients in the “too far gone” triage group be allowed physician-assisted suicide?

      I’m having a really tough time time coming to grips with the reality of all this. (A moment of deja-vu, I just recalled, a couple of decades ago, I typed a very similar line on Bartcop after 9/11)

      Slavery was the legal fiction that people can be property.
      Corporatism is the legal fiction that property can be people.

      "If you believe in god, I'm probably smarter than you." -- Tom Leykis

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        for them to think that if the old people would just go ahead and die, then they could just get back to keeping the economy going.  First of all, many young ones will die too.  Second of all, I guess they never had anyone tell them about life in the Great Depression.  There is still LIFE when there is a failed economy.  Life is good.  Life matters.  Without Life there would be no economy anyway.  At least no one to benefit from a good economy.

        I wish my Mom was here to write a line or two.  She was 16 when WWII broke out.  She grew up very very poor.  It made her care far too much about money as an adult.  She loved Ann Rand.  I forgive her for that because I know she would never think that the economy was more important than some people’s Life!   They got through the depression and so will we.  She talks about how everyone helped each other out because no one had any money to pay anyone.  They just cared for each other the best they could.  And you know what?  It actually works!

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