Frederick Douglass Statue Torn Down and Vandalized in Rochester, N.Y.

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    • #333921
      Cold Mountain Trail
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      (ROCHESTER, N.Y.) — A statue of abolitionist Frederick Douglass was ripped from its base in Rochester on the anniversary of one of his most famous speeches, delivered in that city in 1852.

      Police said the statue of Douglass was taken on Sunday from Maplewood Park, a site along the Underground Railroad where Douglass and Harriet Tubman helped shuttle slaves to freedom.

      The statue was found at the brink of the Genesee River gorge about 50 feet (15 meters) from its pedestal, police said. There was damage to the base and a finger.

      https://time.com/5863108/frederick-douglass-statue-torn-down/

    • #333932
      Ohio Barbarian
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      A nihilistic fad, at that. Take out your frustrations by tearing down a statue, any statue! Perhaps political movements should just concentrate on Confederate icons; anything else will be overreach and cause a backlash against the whole thing.

      This could also have been done by agents provocateurs, such as police. Who knows? I knew things had gone too far when they pulled down a statue of Grant in San Francisco.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #333935
      Haikugal
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      This news makes me wonder if Proud Bois or some similar group/philosophy is responsible for this. I doubt BLM folk would tear his statue down.

      The DNC “big tent” excludes Nina Turner but includes John Kasich.

    • #333946
      Pam2
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      Tearing them down doesn’t actually improve any one’s life. I don’t know how it got to be a “fad”. Meanwhile, where’s the desperately needed police, economic and healthcare  reforms???

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      jwirr
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      Over reach is what it is becoming. The statues, etc. that were placed to glorify slavery and the civil war’s support of slavery should come down. They did nothing to help build the United States. However, some of what is happening today is targeted at statues that were put up for real historical reasons that have nothing to do with racism despite that the doers were racist in some part of their careers. I am thinking about Mt. Rushmore. Not a single one of those ex-presidents were but up their because of their racist actions. GW – first president of the US. TJ – leadership in writing the constitution and the Bill of Rights – TR – his move to protect land by building the present park system – AL – his part in the Civil War and anti slavery movement. Yes they did racist things – but those statues do not honor them because of the racism. What would and should work is making sure that the racist actions they each did are fully acknowledged at the site. Tell the whole story.

      Taking down the CSA statues is a whole different matter because they truly have no real story to tell – they lost and they should have lost. That does not make them heroes.

      jwirr

    • #333998
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      will Drump ask for a 10 year sentence for them. Probably not.

      • #334003
        Satan
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        ….last I heard, he thought Frederick Douglass was still alive!

        "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

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      Not many opposed the Confederate statues being removed, but allowing a mob to remove them and non-Confederate statues instead of using due process via our democratic system to debate the statues’ future leads to a backlash by a counter-mob.

      I do support the Confederate statues being removed as they were traitors to this nation.  We don’t have statues honoring Benedict Arnold.  However other statues, like Columbus’, should remain but we should ADD to our pantheon of heroes and significant people.  There were African Americans and Native Americans who supported the American Revolution and fought on the side of the Union in the Civil War.  Add monuments to them so that We the People can honor them and the diversity of our nation which is what makes us great.

      --tmbarton1961

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