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    • #18510
      Mr. Mickeys Mom
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      From Books to Bullets – You can’t stop Amazon, unless you’re unpatriotic

      for Bezos, it’s not a question of whether customers will mind his company’s defense ambitions, or of complaints raised by civil liberties advocates. As Amazon’s face and founder casts it, the issue is one of patriotism.

      Source: The Guardian

      Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

    • #18521
      alcina
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      Great article! You beat me to posting it. 😉

      I know this is somewhat childish, but I can’t help seeing Lex Luther whenever I look at Bezos. Then that makes me think of Sergei Brin as some Bond villain and Mark Zuckerberg as The Joker. Our world is being destroyed by comic-book villains.

      "The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them." -Julius Nyerere, First President of Tanzania

      • #18711
        Mr. Mickeys Mom
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        Not in my book, childish… I see a similar ugliness similar to what I have in the ex-Republican Gov of FL, Rick Scott, who should be easily confused with Skellatore, or whatever evil character looks like the devil.

        What makes this more difficult is that my stepson is caught in the middle of that organization, running one of the many warehouse and distributions in the middle of PA. My son is a really, really good manager, and is trying to make the best of taking his skills which he honed with other big box distribution centers, and if ANYONE would be great to work for, it’s him. It <b>saddens</b> me to see that real people are caught up in the middle of this treadmill to make a decent wage.

        What’s even MORE horrid are our buying habits. I stopped buying through Amazon after the few coupons I got for Christmas from a few years ago. I never liked using delivery systems like LL Bean or the linen place I once used that were pretty good, but eventually went out of business. I say that we should stop feeding the beast, but then, who the hell am I?

        Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

    • #18583
      doh1304
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      emme
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    • #18789
      emme
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      I was at work earlier, and just now got to  read the full article.  I’d always wondered how Bezos got so involved in defense contracts.  Nobody just lucks into that business.  Had a connection via his grandfather:

      Bezos is not the first in his family in the defense sector. His formative influences included his grandfather Lawrence Preston Gise, who is usually described in press accounts as Bezos would have known him – a semi-retired rancher showing his grandson how to castrate bulls. Yet Gise also made his living as a defense researcher and manager during the early days of the cold war and ultimately ran the New Mexico office of the atomic energy commission, which was in charge of America’s civilian and military nuclear programs until the 1970s.”

      Hmmm….

      I stopped shopping Amazon a little over a year ago;  getting a Kobo for purchasing e-books was key, as that is what I bought the most of at Amazon.  Other things I now try to find locally somewhere, or buy online from anywhere but Amazon.  Not that Bezos will miss my chump change contribution to his bottom line, but dammit, he does not need a penny from me.

      Why some people fawn over men like Bezos,  Zuckerberg and Shultz is beyond me.  Zuckerberg got rich collecting and selling other people’s data;   Schultz selling burnt coffee;  and Bezos thinking he found a “better” way to sell books.  (At the time Amazon started, it was only better for people in areas with no decent book stores.  Then there were still quite a few B&M stores in existence, including locally owned.)

      Bezos and Zuckerberg creep me out  the most however, due to the data connection and work for the defense industry.

      • #18863
        Mr. Mickeys Mom
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        Yes, and you get the feeling that the success graphs of both Bezos and Zuckerberg are directly proportional to each step of following through on the long term goals of data… knowing everything they need about those giving it up.

        Next question which I should look into… Who must be involved in all these Ancestry commercials advertising during prime time? There’s even more outcome guaranteed in mapping your DNA. (And -no, this is not CS subject matter)

         

        Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

    • #20064
      Iwillnevergiveup
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      I read recently (can’t remember where) that Bezos doesn’t want to participate in the market, he wants to BE the market.  He’s quite the creep, and it’s stupefying to me how many people either don’t know that.  Or do know it, but give him a pass anyway.  So, I do my small part:  boycott Amazon unconditionally, spread the word to family/friends, and support small businesses and tell them why I boycott Amazon.  Book stores are especially appreciative.

      Guess it’s kind of like letting animals into our lives – we can’t save them all, but we can damn well take care of the ones we have.

    • #20074
      Mr. Mickeys Mom
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      Someday I shall find a GIF that properly can be displayed to boycott Amazon!

      Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

    • #20088
      Ohio Barbarian
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      Yep. People like him will be calling people like us anti-American next.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #20123
      Cold Mountain Trail
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      “we should stop feeding the beast”

      indeed.  before it’s too late to do otherwise.

      sorry to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but monopoly power is his aim; it’s pretty obvious by now.  and not just his: of the whole gang of gangsters.

      and the destruction of local/regional consumer/buying/supplying alternatives outside the monopoly power of big capital.

      There are many reasons people give for their inability to stop buying from amazon.  They pretty much boil down to “its more convenient to do so”.

      Thanks for the review on Bezos’ ancestor; I was vaguely aware but hadn’t looked into it much.  I will do so again, thanks.

      “Why some people fawn over men like Bezos,  Zuckerberg and Shultz is beyond me.”

      You know why; because they’re super-rich and vaunted by the media as such.  Most people admire wealth and power.

    • #20251
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      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestry.com

      Mormons, initially, and now:

      “In October 2012, Ancestry.com agreed to be acquired by a private equity group consisting of Permira Advisers LLP, members of Ancestry.com’s management team, including CEO Tim Sullivan and CFO Howard Hochhauser, and Spectrum Equity, for $32 per share or around $1.6 billion…On July 16, 2015, Ancestry launched AncestryHealth, and announced the appointment of Cathy A. Petti as its Chief Health Officer…

      In April 2016 GIC Private Limited (a sovereign wealth fund owned by the Government of Singapore) and Silver Lake (a private equity fund manager) bought equity stakes in Ancestry.com. The estimated market value of Ancestry.com in 2017 was more than $3 billion…10 billion digitised records and over three million paying customers.

      AncestryDNA is a subsidiary…offers a direct-to-consumer genealogical DNA test.  Consumers provide a sample of their DNA to the company for analysis. AncestryDNA then uses DNA sequences to infer family relationships with other Ancestry DNA users and to provide what it calls an “ethnicity estimate”… The testing itself is performed by Quest Diagnostics…In November 2018…they had sold more than 14 million DNA kits to customers…In 2015, Ancestry partnered with Calico, a subsidiary of Google to focus on longevity research and therapeutics, in an effort to investigate human heredity of lifespan…”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestry.com

       

      Essentially privatizing public records, information that used to be accessible for free and no longer is unless you join ancestry.  I used to do a fair bit of genealogical research ca. 90s/00 when it was available on the internet, then found at some point my usual sources were no longer available.

      They now own Find-A-Grave & Rootsweb, sources I also used to use, the last created by users for free (users who essentially supplied all their family genealogical records to the data base for the love… and then privatized…)

      “RootsWeb, acquired by Ancestry in June 2000, is a free genealogy community that uses online forums, mailing lists, and other resources to help people research their family history. Users can upload GEDCOM files of their information for others to search at the WorldConnect portion of the site…On December 20, 2017, a file containing 300,000 RootsWeb user names, passwords, and email addresses was exposed to the internet. The 300,000 records were from RootsWeb surname list service with 55,000 of those records were also Ancestry.com login credentials…”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestry.com

    • #20342
      Cold Mountain Trail
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      which is another thing: never give *any* personal or other information to any of these SOBs for free, nor for the love, nor to ‘help’ anonymous others.

      because these days, someone else will wind up owning it for free and eventually it will wind up making you & others more unfree.

      Good news though: a random search for: be z o s s u ck s says people are starting to wake up

      and its not outside the realm of possibility that be z o s got where he is with a little help from…the kind of friends you might have if your grandpa had high-level connections to the US nuclear ‘community’

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