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    • #345791
      LiberalArkie
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      <h1 class=”thread-title”>So Long, and Thanks for All the (Swedish) Fish</h1>

      A few weeks ago I sold Democratic Underground. The new owner is EarlG (also known as Dave Allsopp), a long-time DU Administrator and co-founder who has been a part of this community since the very beginning. He knows DU as well as I do — probably better. He is a decent, loyal, trustworthy human being, and he is a great friend to me. If you take away one thing from this announcement, it is this:

      <i>Democratic Underground will be fine.</i>

      But I hope you understand that for EarlG, purchasing this website was not without risk. He had to take on a fairly significant amount of debt while we are in the middle of a global pandemic *and* an economic downturn. In my final act as a DU administrator, I have been working to organize a summer DU fund drive to smooth the transition to new ownership and help ease some of the financial burden. When the fund drive begins next week, I hope you will become a DU Star Member and GIVE GENEROUSLY.

      I’ve been agonizing over what else to say to all of you about this. Moving on from DU is kind of a huge deal in my life — after all, I’ve spent nearly two decades running this website — and I feel like I am supposed to be passing along some nugget of wisdom to all of you that lives up to the enormity of this moment for me. There are so many things I could say, but after much consideration I’m just going to say this:

      <i>Thank you.</i>

      I am so grateful to everyone who has been a part of this community over the last 19 and a half years. What a wonderful, happy, friendly, stimulating, sometimes aggravating, and most of all rewarding journey this has been. I still can’t quite wrap my head around the idea that I created a virtual space where thousands of truly decent human beings would choose to spend so much of their time. It seems unreal. This is first and foremost a community of people, and the truth is that Democratic Underground would be nothing without all of you.

      During the darkest days of the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries, when many DUers were viciously tearing each other apart, the three DU admins were deeply frustrated with the state of this community. So we put our heads together to figure out a positive vision of what we wanted DU to be. During that process we drew a Venn diagram on the whiteboard in our office, and it remained on the whiteboard for the last four years to remind us what we wanted this community to be. Here is a picture:

      Looking back over the last 19+ years of running this website, I think I am most proud of the fact that this is what DU has become: A community of friendly, progressive Democrats.

      Thank you especially to Dave and Brian (whom you know as EarlG and Elad) my fellow DU Administrators. I could not have done this job without your friendship, expertise, support, and hard work. Dave, I am particularly grateful for your wise counsel over all these years. You have provided indispensable guidance and support that made me a better admin and made DU a better community. Brian, I am in awe of your technical knowledge and skill, as well as your patience and dedication. We came up with a million crazy ideas that required countless hours of programming, and you always knew how to make those ideas a reality.

      To the rest of you, I want to keep in touch. Here’s how:

      I’m not going to be here on DU nearly as much now that I don’t work here, but I am dipping my toe into various social media sites and I want to keep in touch with all of you. To keep things easy I grabbed a single username that I could use across many different sites: <b>@DavidAllenNow</b>. *Everyone* is welcome to connect with me, whether you are a long-term DU members, a new DU member, a lurker who never signed up for DU, a former DU member, a former Discussionist member, or even a banned or flagged DUer.

    • #345795
      elias39
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      “Looking back over the last 19+ years of running this website, I think I am most proud of the fact that this is what DU has become: A community of friendly, progressive Democrats.”

      Most of the ‘progressives’ got trashed. That’s why we have JPR!! If you weren’t a hillary kiss-ass, you got mobbed. I don’t miss it.

    • #345796
      Satan
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      "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

    • #345799
      Mindwalker
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      Actually, anybody who didn’t agree and felate themselves in front of every person the democratic party shoved at us got trashed.  The problem is that “believing” in one party or the other is like believing in a religion.  No matter what they do, believers will support them.  It means you are their bitch.

    • #345800
      GZeusH
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      I’m happy here on JPR with the folks from the red and green circles, and happy to be rid of the useless blue circle.

      Corporate America consists of totalitarian entities laser-focused on short-term greed.

      If you just got finessed into calling the medicine that won the 2015 Nobel Prize for its role in treating human disease ‘horse de-wormer’ then you need to sit the next couple of plays out.

    • #345805
      incognito
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      to bad rubbish.

      You fucking POS.

      I hope this is SV’s death knell.  I, for one, will be happy to see it fail.

       

    • #345810
      retired liberal
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      But it started to change for the worse, around 1994-95. It has been down hell every since.

      Edit to change years. I should have said 2004/05

      We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
      The older we get, the less "Life in Prison" is a deterrent.
      Always wear a proper mask when out and about. The life you save could be both yours and mine.
      Don't forget that the S in IoT stands for Security.

    • #345811
      Bluesuedeshoes
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      He bailed as it crashed and burned. POS.

      Both skinner and the site.

      Greg Lapalina

    • #345814
      Fasttense
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      DU hasn’t welcomed liberals for a very long time.

      And now they sound more like Reagan Democrats. And they found a guy to be a losing candidate who acts much like Reagan in his later years.

      The filthy rich just love DU for spreading their propaganda and helping to convert Dems back to a conservative party. The filthy rich wouldn’t have won the primary with Dementia Joe without DU and a lot of fake liberals.

      They maybe a Democratic party site but they certainly aren’t liberal anymore.

    • #345829
      Jim Lane
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      @retiredliberal

      You write that DU “started to change for the worse, around 1994-95.”  I agree that DU has changed for the worse, but it hasn’t even been around that long.  DU began on January 20, 2001, with the inauguration of Bush the Lesser.

      You can’t be thinking of Daily Kos.  According to its Wikipedia article, it was founded in 2002.

       

      • #345845
        retired liberal
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        @jimlane I should have said 2004/05. I joined a few months later in 2001. There were only 300 some members at the time.

        We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
        The older we get, the less "Life in Prison" is a deterrent.
        Always wear a proper mask when out and about. The life you save could be both yours and mine.
        Don't forget that the S in IoT stands for Security.

    • #345851
      HassleCat
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      Will he crack down on the dog piling of anyone with a dissenting view? Will he allow all Democrats? Will he restrict the ability of certain people to persecute and ban anyone with an “unapproved” opinion? Didn’t think so. Give generously? I did that and they generously threw me out.

    • #345865
      NV Wino
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      🐭🛳

      “As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.” Barbara Lee
      “Politicians and pro athletes: The only people who still get paid when they lose.” William Rivers Pitt

    • #345867
      Pam2
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      … of not giving a crap about that place.

    • #345868
      N2Doc
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      It has become a cult site, where members are expected to mindlessly toe the Party line. No different than Republicans. Independent thought and considering other points of view is stongly discouraged and/or banned. If EarlG bought it, expect no changes.

       

    • #345873
      Cold Mountain Trail
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      Yep.  Club Voldmort is not the wave of the future, its the sinking ship of the past, with the head rat leaving the sinking ship for ‘higher’ ground, lol.

      I hope his lieutenant doesn’t get stuck with too much bad debt.

    • #345897
      mrdmk
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      In my conversations with SV Admins, my experience lead me to believe Skinner was the most liberal of the three. After he got married in 2014 (?) his views did change. Never the less Skinner remained with a tinge of progressive. EarlG and Elad not so much.

      This can be said, SV is sponsored by ads. It was one of the reasons I started using a ad blocker way back when.

      If you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit WC Fields

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    • #345898
      KenTankerous
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      That is all. I mean really. All.

      "If we define an American fascist as one who in case of conflict puts money and power ahead of human beings, then there are undoubtedly several million fascists in the United States."
      - Henry A. Wallace
      (FDR's Vice President until he was forced out by the corrupt forces of obscene wealth.)

    • #345904
      snot
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      I arrived there as a Democrat soon after the 2000 elections.  But the longer I was there, the more educated I became about Dem pols and the party – and the more disillusioned.

      Destruction is easy; creation is hard, but more interesting.

    • #345906
      Hobbit709
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      “Don’t say nothing but good of the dead. He’s DEAD. GOOD!”

      I don't waste my time teaching pigs to sing.

    • #345911
      Gryneos
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      But everyone else was. Not to mention the shame of having to sign that loyalty oath. I did, to retain certain privileges (group super-mod). So what if I lied?

      Who are you? | What do you want? | Why are you here? | Where are you going? | Do you have anything worth living for? | Who do you serve and who do you trust?

    • #345922
      retired liberal
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      Skinner’s wife idea. I lied also.

      We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
      The older we get, the less "Life in Prison" is a deterrent.
      Always wear a proper mask when out and about. The life you save could be both yours and mine.
      Don't forget that the S in IoT stands for Security.

    • #345925
      closeupready
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      I can’t even find it on the wayback machine.  Whatever.  If I have time, I’ll try to find a link, it was an epic thread and so many of my GLBT ‘friends’ there raised so many points I either knew nothing about, or hadn’t considered in a different light.  Members very critical of how poorly GLBT members had been treated, both by other members and by the mods, even leading to claims that there had been a gay purge.

      More generally, the place was established as a sort of online place of refuge for liberals in the early years of the Bush administration where we could exchange ideas and thoughts freely.  As another member here stated, starting about 2005 or 6, it began a years long deterioration into a goofy DNC high school cheerleading club/message forum.  Just a total waste of time.  How does that happen, you have to wonder?  They had a really interesting internet forum, and ran it into the ground.

      I’m already spending too much time even thinking about that place, but I guess it stings to remember how you could vote for Hillary, donate to their fund drives, answer the calls to sign petitions, contact your elected officials to end the war in Iraq, send flowers to what’s her name in the press conferences … and still get called racist, misogynist, sociopath – and then YOU get banned.

      That whole “Venn diagram” … what pretentiousness!  We some emojis on this board, lol.

      Got burned, won’t EVER rejoin.  No.

      The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

    • #345930
      Thom Paine
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      I learned a lot from DU. Up to the run up to 2016 we all seemed to agree that Bush was the devil. But as we approached 2016 the battle lines were drawn and the Admin was firmly behind HRC and the Neo-Liberal Dem Establishment. Those that spoke out against them were attacked and bullied.

      But I learned how to deal with bullies, thanks to DU.  I learned not to fight them in the mud where they loved it, but to continue to be polite and post truths, they hate that.   Never reacting to their baiting. It frustrated them to no end and they finally put me on indefinite review. What they failed to recognize is that once they become an echo chamber with no one left to bully, it’s no fun anymore.  RIP DU.

    • #345935
      Captain Arizona
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      The good ship du has hit the ice berg and the S.S. jackpine radicals is a 100 miles away and steaming in the other direction. The S.S. republican never trump is stationary a few miles away if you want to row the life boats over there.

    • #345936
      JonLP
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      First the people at SV aren’t really friendly and the board is very different from what it was like before the 2016 elections and it looks like the vast majority of the progressives/liberals are purged. Also a progressive can also be a Democrat.

      In any case I’m surprised anyone would buy that sinking website. A lot of the differences in the party are generational and young progressives already have Twitter and they don’t get banned for not taking any shit or towing the party line. Unless DU figures out how to attract those posters again they don’t have much of a future.

      Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

      Like many public systems, GOP want to rip the battery out + say the whole car doesn’t work, so they can sell it for parts - AOC

    • #345937
      Cold Mountain Trail
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      Unfortunately, the Ship of State seems to have sprung a pretty big leak itself and the lifeboats are at the ready.  But there are rats in the timbers and maybe holes in the lifeboats too.

      Things looking bad all over.

    • #346455
      closeupready
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      Sorry for bumping this – I’m just letting this go.  Life goes on.

      The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

    • #346472
      Babel 17
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      The site could glorify the incineration of North Africans on its front page and for all the world knew I’d be listed as a member of the place.

      Arguably, having the Queen of Warmongers celebrated as the Democratic party nominee brought the above scenario into reality.

      https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2016/10/24/hillarys-war-crime/

       

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