Full redacted edition of the Mueller Report

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    • #55745
      Ohio Barbarian
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      Here it is, to read at your leisure:

      https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

       

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    • #55810
      Ohio Barbarian
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      I skimmed it. Read a few sections in detail. My first impression is that the allegation the Russian government hacked the DNC computers still has zero public evidence to support it. All of the sentences that might have revealed how the American government reached that conclusion were redacted in order to protect “investigative techniques.”

      Some of my ancestors were the first European settlers in Missouri. They’ll have to show me more in order to convince me that the GRU hacked Hillary’s emails. I remain skeptical.

      I didn’t go into too much of the “collusion” part. What little I saw was that Trump and his campaign were more than happy to get any dirt on Hillary they could from any source, including the Russians, but no sign that they actually did anything to help obtain or disseminate that information. If anything, they look more incompetent and stumbling than anything else.

      Curiously, the obstruction of justice part is the least redacted, and has the most embarrassing material about Trump himself. He overacted, overreacted, and threw tantrums. Well, nothing new there. He made demands for his own exoneration that were ignored by everyone.

      As for committing a crime, I think the report shows, even though Mueller’s team consistently denies it, that Trump had every intention of obstructing the investigation, and went so far as to fire people like Comey who made him mad, but did nothing to actually obstruct the investigation. The Mueller investigation, after all, was never stopped, and this report is the proof.

      If the Democrats want to impeach Trump, there’s more substantial things they can go after him on than this anticlimactic tale of mysteriously acquired conclusions concerning Russians and of an idiotic, egotistical buffoon in the Oval Office.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

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    • #55816
      Ohio Barbarian
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      My initial conclusion is unchanged:

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #56444
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      After a closer look, I changed my mind on one important point–Trump really did commit the crime of obstruction of justice. He ordered his underlings to obstruct or shut down the Mueller investigation, but they refused to do it because they knew damned well that would be obstruction and they would take the fall for it.

      If it were anyone else other than the President, would not that be obstruction of justice? I think so.

      As for any Russian involvement, if our government is going to accuse the Russian government of “interfering” in the election, then they should show the actual evidence of that. Release the report without all of those “investigative technique” redactions that conceal whatever hard evidence there is to support such brazen allegations. How do they know the GRU hacked the DNC emails? How do they know the GRU gave the material to Assange?

      Show me, godsdammit!

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

      • #56489
        Charles
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        It’s obvious Trump was trying to obstruct justice on numerous occasions . He was very lucky that his underlings weren’t stupid enough to do what he wanted.

        As for Russia and Wikileaks it will never be proven as it’s most likely a bogus allegation. They didn’t even question former British Ambassador Craig Murray who claimed to be a liaison between Wikileaks and the leakers of the DNC emails who publicly stated that it wasn’t the Russians.

        One would think if there was any possible connection between the Russians and Wikileaks that Mueller’s team would at the very least question former Ambassador Murray to either confirm or negate his claims. the fact they didn’t question him seems to lead credence to the fact that they knew his testimony would damage the major tenet of the collusion investigation. It seems extremely negligent to ignore the former Ambassador’s claims as he is still a person of high repute and in good standing.

        That said Trump has a long history of sordid financial dealings with powerful Russian oligarchs as did some of the bigger members of his campaign crew. While the main emphasis of the collusion accusations as claimed by some may never have happened many other questionable activities did.

        I’m sure this is far from the end of the investigations into Trump and his questionable business dealings both here and around the world….

         

         

         

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        • #56491
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          I agree, and will add one thing: Robert Mueller used the narrowest possible interpretation of the scope of his investigations. He did not investigate any of the plethora of questionable business dealings that Trump had with numerous foreign actors, though he may have handed some of them off to other federal prosecutors.

          This should have come as no surprise. After all, Mueller is a Republican. Nonetheless, it shocked the shit out of many on places like SV, just like they seemed surprised that Barr, who did his best to cover up for Reagan in the Iran-Contra scandal, would lie and attempt to frame the Mueller report in a manner that was ludicrously favorable to Trump. The respect and reverence so many people have for known corrupt establishment figures(Joe Biden comes to mind) is ridiculous.

          It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

          You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #56522
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      It wasn’t the burglary that got Nixon it was the attempted cover up.

      Pressure is building on the left for congress to do it’s job and act.   The hard part is getting the Blue Dogs and 3rd Way Dems to stick their sorry necks out.

      Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

      • #56578
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        Perhaps that’s because they know if one of their own gets in, they’ll be almost as corrupt as Trump, or arrogant enough to lie about a blow job or something.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

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