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    • #28599
      game meat
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      I know both Tulsi and the Green New Deal are popular here, so I’m curious about what people think about this. Surprised I haven’t seen this mentioned, but maybe I missed it.

      Democratic presidential hopeful Rep. Tulsi Gabbard declined Wednesday to back the “Green New Deal,” citing “concerns” about it.

      “I have some concerns with the Green New Deal, and about some of the vagueness of the language in there, so have not co-sponsored the legislation,” the Hawaii congresswoman said when asked about the progressive plan to rapidly shift away from fossil fuels to fight climate change.

      Gabbard’s position on the nonbinding resolution from Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) and Sen.ED Markey (D-Mass.) is a contrast from her position three months ago.

      Full story: https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/430780-gabbard-cites-concerns-about-vagueness-of-green-new-deal#

       

    • #28600
      Charles
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      Gabbard wants fracking and nuclear power addressed . I’m not sure if that is why she says it is vague or if that is in addition to it being potential vague as to its implentation etc.

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      • #29649
        NoPlanetB
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        Tulsi’s life has been devoted to the environment. As a teenager she co-founded a non-profit Healthy Hawai’i Coalition an educational organization to protect the environment & improve individual & community health. In 9/17, Tulsi introduced HR 3671 The Off Fossil Fuels Act. It’s considered the most aggressive climate legislation ever. It’s a bill with teeth. It has 46 cosponsors & is endorsed by 400 environmental & justice groups. When AOC was campaiging, she endorsed the #OffAct. Tulsi definitely supports the concept of the Green New Deal; but she thinks it’s vague and it doesn’t address fracking and nuclear. Tulsi will be reintroducing the #OffAct. Ask your Reps. to cosponsor it. The bill will take effect when passed. We wouldn’t have to wait on a 2 yr study in the GND resolution. Maybe work on getting the #OffAct passed now…while they work on that 2 year study. Maybe the #12years #noplanetb #offact #gnd

    • #28602
      NV Wino
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      I think it’s obvious she doesn’t support the fossil fuel industry. That she should have some reservations about the Green New Deal doesn’t overly concern me. I think almost everyone has some concerns about it, and ultimately, it won’t totally satisfy everyone.

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      • #28713
        Optimus2
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        I think that the time is past for people to be idiots about this. It might not do your state good, possibly her reasons but we’re all going to die without it. She needs to care about everything and not her own prospects or state. I recycle shit three times a week for two businesses because I want kids to have a chance at a future even thought it truly fucks up my car. I have no time for this and she if she really cares about stuff besides herself would do the same thing. NO MORE TIME TO WASTE!

        Until all are one.

    • #28605
      RufusTFirefly
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      I’m disappointed by this. It reminds me of the defense the Speaker of the California Assembly gave for scuttling the state’s single-payer legislation.

      Frankly, I think any vaguery of the GND may actually be a good thing, especially since it’s a resolution, not a piece of legislation.  Like the New Deal before it, it is destined to serve as a foundation for all sorts of laws, initiatives, acts, and administrations that will probably be similar to the alphabet soup (WPA, CCC, AAA, NRA, TVA, etc.) that characterized the Roosevelt Era.

      Unlike Trump’s made-up xenophobic emergency, climate change is a genuine emergency, and we really don’t have a lot of time to hem and haw and twiddle our thumbs. We need to roll up our sleeves and get started. We’re already decades overdue.

      I have no doubt that we will make some mistakes along the way and learn a lot as we move forward.

      • #28609
        game meat
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        “Frankly, I think any vaguery of the GND may actually be a good thing, especially since it’s a resolution, not a piece of legislation”

        Exactly! It’s not as if there won’t be opportunities to fine tune this down the road. At this point, support for the GND is largely aspirational. This is what makes her current stance so odd. I can’t see what she has to gain politically either since the GND is very popular with the base. Maybe she will elaborate at some point…

    • #28633
      Sorechasm
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      Disappointed. Don’t understand it. I’m hoping that we hear more.

      It could be that she’s hoping to integrate parts of her own sustainable legislation “Off Fossil Fuels”.

      https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/news/rep-tulsi-gabbards-act-game-changer-heres-why

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    • #28656
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      My concerns with the GND are that the Democratic Party will co-opt it in the way that universal health CARE was neutered by the Affordable Care Act.   Not withstanding AOC’s support for it and leading the charge, it’s not like she has a lot of clones in the House.  It’s more like she’s the sheep among the wolves.

      Would like to hear more from Gabbard and what her alternative is.

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    • #28678
      RufusTFirefly
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      It just occurred to me why Gabbard might be a little conflicted about the GND. Given its location vis-a-vis the rest of the United States, I imagine that Hawai’i is extraordinarily dependent on fossil fuels at present.

    • #28711
      Optimus2
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      It is. Its all shipped in if I can remember the gas prices the last time I was there a while back. By the way, does anyone know who you contact about suggesting a group? In this new framework, my group has gone missing in action. Thanks. 😀

      Until all are one.

    • #28719
      ZimInSeattle
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      Need specifics from her to understand the vagueness she sees in the resolution. Did read somewhere, as @Charles said above , it has something to do with nuclear power and fracking. The environment is the number one reason she got into government. So I’d like to think she’s all about banning fracking and no nuclear power expansion.

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    • #28771
      algernon
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      I don’t support resolutions for universal health care because they aren’t strong enough.  I’d maybe pipe up if the resolution was for universal health and pharmacare.  Except I don’t support that either because it isn’t strong enough, I’d maybe pipe up if the resolution was for universal health care and pharmacare and dental care.  Except I don’t support that either because it’s not strong enough, I’d maybe pipe up if the resolution was for universal health care and pharmacare and dental care and eyecare.  See how progressive I am?  No way I’m an incrementalist, I’ll stand in the way of any bloody incremental deal and go with the status quo, or worse, instead.

      And oh, by the way, I’m totally against torture. Except for reasonable exceptions, the kind that experienced professionals like Gina at the CIA can concoct, like some kind of “ticking time bomb” pretext, in which case I’m OK with that.

      • #28886
        game meat
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        A bit harsh, but yea, her official excuse is lame, especially considering that there is no reason the GND can’t be strengthened later on. It reminds me of Booker not backing that bill to import prescription drugs citing “safety concerns.” What others have mentioned about Hawaii’s dependence on fossil fuels makes more sense. I hope that isn’t the case, but I’m not going to give her a pass and try to rationalize this just because it’s Tulsi.

    • #28777
      beeninthewoods
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      One of the best ways to be pro environmental is to be anti war. Considering the destruction that our military does to this planet there will come a day when we realize that we can not even consider new wars from an environmental aspect.

      I wonder if she has made any statements about this. I wish Bernie was more clear in his opposition to any military action in Venezuela.

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