Germany Vice-admiral: Putin “probably” deserves respect

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      gordyfl
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      Speaking in India, Germany Vice-admiral Kay-Achim Schönbach said Putin “probably” deserves respect.

      “What he really wants is respect,” the vice admiral said, speaking in English in remarks that were posted on a video on YouTube.

      “And, my God, giving someone respect is low cost, even no cost. … It is easy to give him the respect he really demands — and probably also deserves,” Schönbach said, calling Russia an old and important country.

      Schönbach said Russia’s actions in Ukraine needed to be addressed, but added that “the Crimea Peninsula is gone: It will never come back — this is a fact.”

      The remarks directly contradicted the official view held by the EU and the US. Washington and its allies say that Moscow’s 2014 annexation of the peninsula from Ukraine was unacceptable and must be reversed.

      For his part, Schönbach issued an apology on his Twitter account. “There is no need to quibble: it was clearly a mistake,” he tweeted.

      “My defense policy remarks during a talk session at a think tank in India reflected my personal opinion in that moment. They in no way reflect the official position of the defense ministry,” he wrote.

      Vice Admiral Kay-Achim Schönbach later stepped down as the head of the German navy.

      Link: https://www.dw.com/en/german-navy-chief-sch%C3%B6nbach-resigns-over-comments-on-putin-crimea/a-60525709

      Germany blocks Estonian arms exports to Ukraine

      According to the WSJ report, Berlin has refused to issue permits so that the weapons can be exported to Kyiv.

      German government officials have said they oppose sending weapons to Ukraine as they fear that such deliveries could push tensions higher and make negotiations more difficult.
      “We are standing on Kyiv’s side. We have to do everything to de-escalate. Currently, arms deliveries would not be helpful in this respect; there is agreement on this in the German government,” Defense Minister Christine Lambrecht said.

      The decision comes despite appeals from Kyiv to provide armaments.
      Kyiv highlighted its “deep disappointment” at the German government’s position “on the failure to provide defense weapons to Ukraine.”

      While arms deliveries are off the table, Germany plans to send a field medical facility to Ukraine in February.

      Link: https://www.dw.com/en/germany-blocks-estonian-arms-exports-to-ukraine-report/a-60520988

      and…

      https://www.dw.com/en/germany-rejects-arms-deliveries-to-ukraine-but-will-send-field-hospital/a-60523137

    • #467219
      jbnw
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      It is amazing to me how rarely this is mentioned.

      • #467458
        eridani
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        No vote involved at all.

        Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

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        peacecorps
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        it would not have happened.

        If the idea is that the people in every province/state should be allowed to vote for which country they should belong to … well, that is a different matter. So much for the supremacy of ‘national sovereignty’ if individual states/provinces can vote to leave one country and join another.

        That may not be such a bad idea. Autocrats love to protest that any international concern for human rights is negated by ‘national sovereignty’. “Don’t interfere in our internal affairs.” If human rights (including ‘which country should I and my state/province belong to) is more important than ‘national sovereignty’, that could lead to a place that autocrats might not enjoy. 🙂

        Human rights over politicians’ rights.

        When you think you have no choice but to start a war, think again. Wars promise to be quick, clean and decisive. Wars lie. They cause more problems than they solve, they just won't tell you that beforehand.

        "If we are to have peace on earth, ... our loyalties must transcend our race, our tribe, our class, and our nation; and this means we must develop a world perspective."

    • #467222
      Yanath
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      The piles of pig shit in the US and the EU have committed far graver crimes than any Putin may have committed.

      They hate him because he ended their plunder of the Russian economy, and because he poked them in the eye in doing exactly the right thing by “annexing” Crimea. How stupid of anyone to believe that Russia should have simply allowed the west to deprive it of one of its most valuable military assets. Such fools don’t even exist in reality.

    • #467226
      gordyfl
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      They are the #1 economy in the EU. They opposed the Iraq War. They’re doing their part to maintain peace between Ukraine and Russia. To help with their own energy needs, they sign an agreement with Russia to supply natural gas through the Nord Stream 2. Most Germans support Nord Stream 2. They have tuition-free colleges. Universal healthcare. I think we could learn a few things from the Germans.

    • #467228
      Ohio Barbarian
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      The admiral obviously knows his German history, and how well it worked out the last time Germany fought a war with Russia. He knows any such war would be a disaster for Germany, and I have a feeling most Germans know the same thing.

      That natural gas pipeline is necessary for Germany. First Trump and now Biden are attempting to pressure the Germans into an America First policy, which is clearly against their own self-interest. The imperialists and Washington and Berlin are now running into serious resistance in Germany, and they will lose.

      Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

      The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

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