“Going Into Trump World”: Bernie’s Trumpenproletarian Brain Worm and Fascism-Denial

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      eridani
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      https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/07/16/going-into-trump-world-bernies-trumpenproletarian-brain-worm-and-fascism-denial/

      There’s little surprising about Sanders’ misguided comments to Maureen Dowd. Contrary to the common identification of “fascism-talk” with the left, the “socialist” Sanders – an 80-yeard old man of Jewish ancestry with relatives killed in the Nazi Holocaust – never had the basic decency to call the obviously fascist U.S. president Trump a fascist. In mid-December of 2020, at the near height of Trump’s violent war on the 2020 election, marked by his approval of two violent Washington D.C. demonstrations led by Proud Boys wearing hats emblazoned with “RWDS” (acronym for “Right Wing Death Squad”) and t-shirts saying “6MWE” (for “Six Million Wasn’t Enough”) and “Pinochet Did nothing Wrong,” Sanders was asked the following question by the progressive comedian and political commentator Dean Obeidallah:

      “Donald Trump and some of his elected officials there are on, seems like, laying the path for, fascism. …with Trump, not only does he check off some of the alarming things of fascism, about hyper-nationalism and turning people against each other, but in the Fall he actually defended violence by his own supporters, the ones who went to Portland and shot people with paint balls. Do you think it’s overblown to use the term fascism [to describe Trump and his movement]?”

      It was a good question. Sanders’ piss-poor answer amounted to saying that that yes, it was in fact “overblown” to describe Trump and Trumpismo with the F-word. Bernie’s rambling and denialist response was intimately related to his confusion (or deception) on Trump’s base:

      “Look, what I would say, uh, is that to my mind it is not overblown to say that Donald Trump is an authoritarian who does not believe in democracy. It goes beyond Trump. We’ve got to ask ourselves why 73 million people voted for him, and we’ve got to reach out to those people and I think that to some degree, Dean, I’m sure a lot of my Democratic colleagues do not agree with me, but this is a reflection of the Democratic Party, because I think if you talk to many of those … working class people who voted for Trump, they’ll say, ‘Look, of course we know he’s a liar. We know he’s full of shit. But at least he does this; he does that.’ Something the Democrats don’t do.”

      Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

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      djean111
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      As if we are not a corporate-driven, thus fascist, country no matter who is in the White House.  Yeah, I agree that the Dems have nothing to offer Trump voters.  nothing beneficial, anyhow.

      Evidently the Dems are going to run against Trump in 2022 and 2024, because that beats the fuck out of having to lie about helping people.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      Everything I post is just my opinion, and, honestly, I would love to be wrong.

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      GZeusH
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      Despite “fascist” being laid on every Republican dating back to Nixon, the word doesn’t stick.  Ask the average American in the street what a fascist is, and most will give you a puzzled look.  Pointing out that “fascist — bad” is not something the news media does; but they do point out “communist –bad” every chance they get.  That is what their owners pay them to do.   In America, World War II was to defeat the Nazis, and we did (despite Russians doing 80% of the work, and us being left with Nazi remnants that march in Skokie to rile people up).   Then, after World War II, we did an about face and decided that the Communists were worse than the Nazis, and we should be in mortal combat with them.    Once they indelibly imprinted that Communists were bad, they set about saying that Socialists were another flavor of communism, and here we are.

      Corporate America consists of totalitarian entities laser-focused on short-term greed.

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        eridani
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        A generic insult usually stripped of the meaning of actual fascism.

        Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

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      MistaP
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      or maybe interview the families of the like 6 Black kids machine-gunned by CHAZ guards, damn voluntarists

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