GOP Congresswoman expresses desire to work with Democrats to stop The Squad

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    • #381835
      JonLP
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      Representative-elect Nicole Malliotakis, a Republican who will represent New York’s 11th District, expressed a desire to form “alliances” with some Democrats to “shut down the socialist Squad.”Malliotakis, who defeated Democratic Representative Max Rose on November 3, is a member of the New York State Assembly.
      “The Squad” is a nickname for four progressive congresswomen—Representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, Rashida Tlaib of Michigan and Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts—who were first elected to the House of Representatives in 2018.Although conservative critics often describe Ocasio-Cortez, Omar, Tlaib and Pressley as “socialists” and “communists,” these terms are inaccurate. While Ocasio-Cortez has described herself as a democratic socialist, her political views are in line with the mainstream policies already in place in wealthy Northern European nations like Sweden, Denmark and Norway—not those of Cuba or Venezuela, as her critics claim.

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-congresswoman-elect-wants-to-form-alliances-with-democrats-to-shut-down-the-socialist-squad/ar-BB1bjTaI

      Is hating AOC really that much of a pressing issue in her district?

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    • #381837
      djean111
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      She should relax.  The Democratic Party feels the same way about the Squad.    I feel that the Democratic Party will make sure The Squad is just sort of an ornamental progressive fund-raising tool used to get money and votes from progressives who just won’t give up on that “work from within” bullshit.  Pelosi has that handled.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

    • #381839
      N2Doc
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      “Fighting the Squad” is a fundraising tool for Repukes, that is all.

    • #381842
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      The Squad is the only remaining positive attribute of the entire Democratic Party. And none of them are socialists let alone communists.

      This creative labeling problem needs to be addressed.

      I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".

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    • #381875
      rudycantfail
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      establishment on another massive upward transfer of wealth to the wealthiest Americans?

    • #381881
      Passionate Progressive
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      Sigh

      As in voting for the CARES Act as in voting for Pelosi as House speaker

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      Ohio Barbarian
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      @stockholmer has been proven correct. By saying they’re something they’re really not, both Bernie and AOC have made it more difficult to see what they really are. They’re both Social Democrats, not socialists. Bernie’s definition of socialism, which is anything that is taxpayer-funded, is only a narrow slice of what socialism means.

      It means that workers have at least some control over the means of production of everything, including services. Or it means nothing. There was always something about Bernie’s claim to be a democratic socialist for the last several years that felt dishonest to me, and that’s it. Bernie was always a strong union man, but that’s not the same thing as socialism, not unless the workers have a say in the business decisions of any private enterprise.

      Maybe most people won’t see that like I do, but I bet a lot knew there was something not quite right about some progressives’ claim to be socialists, and thus less likely to vote for them or trust them. They should have said they were new New Deal Democrats or Social Democrats. That would have been more accurate, and more honest.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

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      • #382138
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        Living here in Sweden I have seen so many cringe for years when some American progressives (actually it is almost all Americans but the progressives are what confused and annoyed people) go on and on about democratic socialism ad then try and call Sweden a democratic socialist country. The actual socialist party (which also has some actual communists in it too, mostly Trotskyites) have NEVER once, ever, been in a government (at most they will sometimes be in a supply and confidence scheme) with the ruling left Party (the big one, the Social Democrats) and are often at loggerheads with them on many issues. The Social Democrats have been caught spying on the socialists and communists so many times (as most all other parties here were, and still are to a point, truly freaked out by the old Soviet Union and now Russia) and it has caused more than a little tension.

        Bernie and AOC et al. invited trouble onto themselves (and the Dem party as a whole, love them or loathe them) by hubristically thinking they could simply snap their fingers and re-define a 200-plus year old definition(s) in a crazy reactionary American political system and zeitgeist. All their stances now will wrongly be slandered and slurred (often by the RW Dems themselves) as socialist and yes, communist (as the average American has almost no clue there is a difference.)

        I feel so badly (not having a laugh, I am dead serious) for so many in the US, as all the good (or most of it) that Bernie and AOC and the other progs could do is going to be almost impossible to get through Congress.

        I also want to apologise if I seemed harsh when I said (many times) to look for a another nation. It was not mean with malice, I was simply saying that your fundamental structures (the EC, the Senate itself, non-proportional representations (THAT is a huge one), gerrymandering, and systemic voter suppression all combine to take a sledgehammer towards most all of a social democratic bent. You can say (I am sure most here do) FUCK the Democrats (and obviously fuck the Republicans) but in terms of anything beyond local control, there really is no escape valve for a person who wants a truly VIABLE and truly progressive political party.

        Also, (and this will enrage some I am sure, but that seems to be my lot in life lolol) AOC and all the other progs need to truly distance themselves from the DSA and the Jacobin crew. They are NOT your friends, they simply want to use Bernie and AOC (and they openly admit it so so so many times) to make suicidal, hopeless, tilting at windmills attempts at trying to usher in real socialism (and even communism for some of the more radical DSA elements)- they do not give a fuck about AOC, Bernie, etc. They look at them as cannon fodder. They openly admit it.

        2022 is likely yield a loss of the House for the Dems, and (especially if the Dems lose both of the GA run-offs)  a failure to take back the Senate. The two best chances to flip a seat from Red to Blue will be the two open seats, PA and NC, and maybe Johnson in WI, but those are so not guaranteed. And the Dems will have 3 or 4 seats at real risk too. I can go into far greater detail at another time.

        I once again only missed two states in the EC this time. In 2016 I missed FL and MN. In 2020 I missed GA and NC. I had the Dems ending up at 232 in the House, so missed that by ten, Going from memory, the ones  missed were (CA) Rouda, Cisneros, Cox and Christy Smith, then UT, McAdams, Torres-Small in NM, Finkenauer and Hart (Hart lost by SIX votes) in IA, OK with Horn, and NY, Brindisi, I knew FL was fucked, and Shalala and Mucarsel-Powell were going down. All of those (and many others) were HAMMERED with the socialist label. In the Senate I did even worse. I had the Dems at 52-48, so 6 flips (as Jones was obviously losing in AL and I got AZ and CO right) Missed Cunningham in NC (idiot with his sexting scandal or he would have won) Gideon in ME, Bullock in MT, and Greenfield in IA.

        • #382203
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          The old socialist movements in the US were involved in building unions. Are unions socialist?

          In the end I don’t care about labels but from what I read Social Democracy was the original “Third Way” between Communism & Capitalism.

           

          The DSA have been calling themselves Democratic Socialists longer than I have seen people say change your name to Social Democracy so I think they are doing fine.

          Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

    • #381888
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      Actively and publicly join with the Republicans to beat down the few real progressives in Congress, and brag about what a wonderful service they just performed for their kleptocratic masters. Maybe that would persuade more Democratic voters to stop voting for these elitist fucks.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

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         suicidal, hopeless, tilting at windmills attempts at trying to usher in real socialism (and even communism

        The most utopian, hopeless dream is that current highly unsustainable system could continue. From imaginable alternatives libertarian socialism and global communist society seem the best option, by far. Liberation from class society and systemic violence. I’m not a fan of the Jacobin crowd for the opposite reasons of yours, but to it’s credit DSA does have a libertarian caucus. Heck, even Libertarian party has a libertarian socialist caucus! 😀

         

        Aloha!

      • #382460
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        Unions in private sector capitalism are not socialist, and building up them up is not socialism. You can tap dance around, and play self-destructive semantic games with the label socialism, but for all intents and real world purposes (and TRULY in terms of American collective definitions accepted by the vast majority) it requires and demands the appropriation by the state of the means of production, with the goal being abolition of most all forms of capitalism. I am a capitalist, but I also believe in a highly regulated form of it, like we have here in the Nordics.

        The DSA is small, tiny, group of destructive rabble-rousers, who are a malevolent force insomuch as they are used at a broader level to tar and feather bog standard (and greatly needed) federal programmes (falsely labelled as ‘socialism’) that social democrats push for.

        AOC and the others need to fully distance themselves from that group, as that group is chocked full of crackpot extremists and will be used as part of the rope to hang her and others (not to mention their programmes advocated for) with.

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          I guess I’m one of those awful people you are talking about. I don’t believe in state ownership of everything, though, I’m not a Communist, though that’s how you are incorrectly defining socialism. Richard Wolff’s ideas are closer to my own.

          It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

          You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

        • #382520
          JonLP
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          Calling myself a socialist. What you may or may not realize the socialism movement in the US is over 100 years old. It seems socialists like unions while capitalists do not.

           

          Don’t blame me for this. I just support the socialists because they have the best policies. BTW that was a rhetorical question. Most countries have a mixed economy which is what I support.

          I laugh at the crackpot extremist stuff. Maybe some are too far left for me but we still need their votes and Bernie Sanders was the compromise for those people.

           

          I forgot to mention — in the US socialists pulled FDR & LBJ administration to the left back when Democrats listened to socialists to undercut their support.

          Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

          • #383179
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            and in ultra-reactionary American, the socialist pig ain’t gonna fly.

            Democratic pols who insist on self-labelling as socialist (when they are not, which makes it truly numpty), and being the tip of the spear for actual fringe groups of real socialists and communists (who only look at them as tools, a means to an pipe dream end) is political suicide for even mild social democratic programmes get passed.

            Do not take my word for it, live and learn.

            The Rethuglicans are poised for a Red Wave blowout in 2022 (look at 1994 and 2012 for historical examples of a 1st term Dem POTUS’s first midterms) wherein they take back the House as well as hold (or expand) their Senatorial majority. One term Biden and out, as the disaffected voters who get nothing of import done on even a milquetoast prog level will stay home in droves in 2022 and 2024.

            Sorry, but US politics is no place for cleverclogs sloganeering and attempts to re-write widely accepted definitions. You will get the old proverbial steamroller treatment and take the nation down in the process.

            Perhaps that what you want. I do not know your motives. Non-proportional representation dooms attempts for an inflection point of change in regards to the party-system’s whip hand.

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              So I don’t think hypothetically if a Dem Soc was elected as President it would lead to Communism. I do think the overton window would shift back to the left.

              The ones leading the charge against the word socialism are fighting a losing battle because it is mostly young people that isn’t scared of the word socialism and they will be around for a long time.

              I think in the future the country has a chance to be very progressive if Democrats can keep the young progressives on their side which they are doing a bad job of.

              I feel like we live a boiling frogs version of fascism here and Trump turned up the heat the last 4 years. When I watch the corporate media I wonder how they are much different or worse than state run media.

              My motives is I don’t support corporate Democrats or Republicans but support progressive policies and it happens to be “self-described” socialists pushing them.

              What about all the people in the UK calling themselves Democratic Socialists? Do they have it wrong also?

              Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

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      Which is very like dogmatic Christians trying convince dogmatic Muslims that they have found the “One True God” and vice versa.

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      since many GOP (particularly the neocons) support Biden over Trump.

    • #382330
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      Trump actually had the best showing with members of his own party ever. What killed him was a record Dem turnout and Trump’s terrible draw with independents.  I’d love to see stats on pres only, blank everywhere else ballots and Biden and downballot Rs votes. I suspect that there were tons of these.  (I assume that this will mean that the Ds will get slaughtered in 2022 but we’ll see)

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