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  • Scott Crowder (822 posts)
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    Green Party still fighting in court over the recount

    Remember when Jill Stein got all that money from Dem voters to challenge for a recount in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania?  Everyone said she was ripping off voters.  Well, over a year later and that money is still being put to good use.  In Wisconsin, their lawyers won a major victory that allows them to actually study the source code of the electronic voting machines.  This will be the first time an outside source has been able to get a look at this closely guarded code.  As Jill Stein said:

    Incredibly, the source code for voting software has never before been examined for evidence of tampering or errors that would compromise an election!

    Turns out the rights of the corporation to hide its proprietary information is given greater legal protection than the rights of the voters to have a fair and legal democracy.  Who knew?

    Now the only thing holding up this examination is the the Wisconsin Election Commission (WEC) must put in place confidentiality rules to protect the software companies’ private information.  So of course, the software companies Dominion Voting Systems, Inc. and Election Systems & Software, Inc.,  have sought  prevent them from communicating with the public about their findings – even if they agree not to disclose anything proprietary.

    If – though let’s be honest it is probably when, not if – the WEC refuses to allow them to communicate their findings if they find that the software is designed to allow vote tampering, then the Green Party is prepared to challenge that decision in court.

    Meanwhile, in Pennsylvania, things have gone so poorly that a statewide recount and examination of voting machine software was denied.  Since Pennsylvania is completely paperless, only a complete forensic analysis of the voting equipment could verify the vote.  Though the recount was derailed, the Green Party is challenging the constitutionality of Pennsylvania’s incredibly complicated recount procedure.  The going is slow, however.

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  • Babel 17 (4711 posts)
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    1. Important victory

    Accountability ftw.

    https://www.votetulsi.com/bumper-stickers/free  
  • TRex (4445 posts)
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    2. But but but…she was in a picture this one time with Putin.

    Leave it to the progressives to keep hammering away for the truth. Meanwhile McDems and McReps prepare to waste millions for the honor of big donor contracts.

     

    Oh sweety, no just no, when I or those of us here talk about the ultra rich - it is NOT you! Not you by a longshot, oh my God did you think...no way you actually thought we meant you? Lord, this country is full of rich stupid people and you seem to be one of the worst. No sweety, you are just a low paid pawn to those ultra rich we talk about. They are wrecking the world, you are an enabler and I understand not being able to sleep at night. I wouldn't either, selling out our future. You have kids right?  
    • Entrepreneur (2680 posts)
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      4. 'McDemocratics'. That's perfect. That one is a keeper.

      “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness" - J.K. Galbraith
  • Fawke Em (4558 posts)
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    3. You buried your lede

    I’d change your headline to: Greens Win Right to Examine Voting Machine Source Code

    That is a BIG, BIG, BIG, BIG deal.

        
    • Beebee (1655 posts)
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      7. Agreed.

      Both w the headline and it being a big deal.

      More attention needs to be brought to this.

      I remember CNN changing/flipping the count live.

      "confrontation of the self is as important as with others. we have to be ready to be surprised by unexpected rhetoric, or even possible communion, with those previously seen as impossible." NuttyFluffers
  • amylsacks (332 posts)
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    5. Sadly No Matter The Result…

    …Dems will just double down on their anti-GP vitriol.

    While I can appreciate the rationale behind wanting the recount, it will do nothing to strengthen the party in the long run.

    Back in 2000, Greens went to assist with the recount in FL, I believe. Dems continued to treat us like trash.

    It’s depressing how little things change.

    • MistaP (8443 posts)
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      13. and the only ones pushing the recount for OH 04, with Badnarik

      Carville made damn sure Kerry didn’t contest

      http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
  • Punxsutawney (2581 posts)
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    6. While the Greens are doing something useful for Democracy

    Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the Dems are screaming “Russia hacked the election!”, but seem to have no interest in doing anything other than scream about it.

    GOP’s been flipping electronic votes for over a decade at least.

    To neoliberals, everyone and everything are disposable. -  Chris Hedges  “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness" - J.K. Galbraith
    • amylsacks (332 posts)
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      8. Blaming Everyone Else For Their Own Cock-Ups…

      …is about the only thing they know how to do when things don’t go their way.

  • Peace Patriot (3751 posts)
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    9. Dominion=Diebold. ES&S=yet more evil.

    It’s not just that their ‘TRADE SECRET’ vote counting code trumps our elections (ahem) – it’s all the horrible damage they have done to our country and our society  with that power.

    This is how we got an 8%-approval-rating Congress that represents no one, fascist governors & state legislators all over the country and two of the most despised presidential candidates in our history. Diebold was notoriously a creature of the Bush-Cheney R’s. That’s why they changed the name. Then Dominion (Diebold) was merged with ES&S, which was founded and run by far, far rghtwing ‘christian’ fanatics. And btw, the ruination of our vote counting system nationwide, by these fuckers, had the enthusiastc support of the Dem Party all along the way.

    Kudos to the Greens for digging into this! If we are ever able to reverse this outrage – ‘TRADE SECRET’ code vote counting – then we have to undo the horrendous damage that these unelected fascist assholes,, who have been Diebolded into power, have done to our country.

    • sorechasm (175 posts)
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      15. My barnyard chickens have a TRADE SECRET…

      They can count!

      Dominion & Diebold & ES&S &  the media mafia must laugh there heart out every time they hear about how their electoral thievery is protected by TRADE SECRET laws. Our smartphones have billions x billions times more calculating power than the Counting Machines they call Vote Tabulators. The only secret (and not a very good one) is how easy these things are to hack, and how unstable our electoral process actually is.

  • Xyzse (3609 posts)
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    10. Good for them since I appreciate people ensuring the sanctity of elections.

    However, all this goes to show me, is that as much as Hillary Clinton hated losing to Trump, she will NOT question the actual process or do anything about it.

    They could have done a recount, had the Clinton lawyers said go for it, when the Greens were going to pay for it.

    This just goes to show that as powerful as she was, like a Roman senator, she would fall on the sword, if it would damage the system that got her to where she is, in the first place.  So all that talk about maintaining the integrity of elections, if you notice, none of them in the establishment actually fight it at that level.

    Because if you attack the institution that built you…  The institution will wipe you out by at least seven generations

  • MisterTwister (312 posts)
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    11. Of course, the truly cynical position is that Hillary couldn't contest hacking

    because it might reveal how she had hacked Bernie in the primaries.

    But since we don’t have any real proof of that, we should keep it filed under “possible suspicions.”

    • doh1304 (695 posts)
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      12. Wht if we were to find out

      that the only fraud was that the Hillary campaign padded the vote in Madison to “build up her victory margin”?

    • Peace Patriot (3751 posts)
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      16. Yes there is proof. Go to…

      Democracy Detective Report: The rigging of the 2016 Democratic presidential primary

      See in particular Chapter 9: Exit polling discrepancies. It will blow your mind. Here’s a sample: In primary states with a paper trail, Sanders 51%, Clinton 49%. In primary states with NO paper trail, Sanders 35%, Clinton 65% (see the chart).

      dem-detective.org/report-2016-rigging/