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Home Main Forums General Discussion Guardian: KGB has "compromising sexual material" on Trump, according to dossier

  • shaayecanaan (309 posts)
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    Guardian: KGB has "compromising sexual material" on Trump, according to dossier

    Is it fake news? Who knows? But its fun.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/11/trump-russia-dossier-explainer-details

    Russian spies put together compromising dossiers on both Clinton and Trump, the dossier says. The Clinton one was innocuous and mostly included bugged conversations.

    The Trump material, by contrast, was explosive. It includes lurid details from Trump’s visit in 2013 Moscow for the Miss Universe beauty pageant. According to the dossier, Trump stayed in the Ritz Carlton hotel, in the same suite used by Barack Obama. It says Russia’s FSB spy agency obtained compromising sexual material – kompromat – from the hotel suite. “FSB has compromised TRUMP through his activities in Moscow sufficiently to be able to blackmail him,” it says.

     

    The sourcing is one of the weakest aspects of the Trump dossier. Information inside Russia’s government and its spy agencies is tightly controlled. Putin’s own decision-making circle is extremely small. For example, his decision in 2011 to seek a third term as president was a closely guarded secret. If the report’s author is to be believed, he or she enjoys extraordinary access to figures at the very top of the Kremlin. This is possible, but unlikely. Cables leaked in 2010 from the US embassy in Moscow revealed that American diplomats struggled to find good sources in Moscow. Russia’s capital is a place where rumour, educated speculation, and planted rumour swirl and where even cabinet ministers don’t have the full picture.

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    It doesn’t say what exactly they claim to have on tape, although frankly it would have to be pretty bad to blackmail someone like Trump given that he’s already confessed to cheating on his wife and sexual assault. I’m thinking either something extremely kinky or alternatively something illegal.


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  • 6 months ago #11
    • mindwalker (576 posts)
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      1. Trump feeling up a goat

      That would be compromising.

      Readin'?  That's un-American!  Get your ass in front of a TV!
    • Arctic Dave (933 posts)
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      2. Must have pics of Trump playing a dozen

      rusty trumpets.

       

      Just throwing it out there.

    • Purveyor (2633 posts)
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      3. I've long maintain that multiple Intel ops from various

      countries have dossiers on most all power people in top govt positions.

      Only explanation as to why the change the way they do once the arrive on DC.

      I’d post a tinfoil pic but I’m on tablet…

    • StupidRedhead (2248 posts)
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      4. You can be certain that whatver the Clinton camps says Trump ans Co are doing-

      they are guilty of themselves.

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      • Octafish (3730 posts)
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        6. P-P-President Pence

        Just when it looks like things can’t get any worse comes word The Donald is as depraved as Sneering Dick Cheney. Should the allegations prove true, no way Don becomes president. The guy would be completely discredited. Who could look at a guy who, eh, does what is alleged he did on tape?

        “Get the truth and print it.” -- John S. Knight
        • sadoldgirl (1519 posts)
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          8. You got the important point: Pence. Far more dangerous than the

          non ideological Trump. So why would the Clintonistas prefer him?

          Because the parties have merged in anything but name.

          • Octafish (3730 posts)
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            14. Heads for Hillary. Tails for Trump.

            People lose. Big Oil wins.

            “Get the truth and print it.” -- John S. Knight
        • StupidRedhead (2248 posts)
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          12. I don't believe for a minute that Trump has piss parties in Russia

          The establishment- they think their shit doesn’t stink. However, they’re farts give them away every damn time.

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      • bernintheusa (1252 posts)
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        18. Guilty X 10

        imageWe all only live once. So we are obligated to make good use of the time that we have and to do something that is meaningful and satisfying. This is something that I find meaningful and satisfying... I enjoy helping people who are vulnerable. And I enjoy crushing bastards.                        - Julian Assange -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          image                                                                                                     ... for Julian's safety ...   
      • The Crone (3085 posts)
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        26. Well, yeah – right you are. And

        Funny isn’t it – the one person we all  know of who used their governmental position for dealings with The Russians is former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. She set things up so her friend and Clinton Foundation partner, Frank Giustra, could arrange to sell a full 20% of America’s uranium to Russia. Funny how that FACT never gets mentioned.

        "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
        • bernintheusa (1252 posts)
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          27. Facts do not count when the Clintons are involved.

          imageWe all only live once. So we are obligated to make good use of the time that we have and to do something that is meaningful and satisfying. This is something that I find meaningful and satisfying... I enjoy helping people who are vulnerable. And I enjoy crushing bastards.                        - Julian Assange -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          image                                                                                                     ... for Julian's safety ...   
        • StupidRedhead (2248 posts)
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          29. Never, ever gets mentioned. She can line her pockets via Russia all damn day

          They’ve accused Trump if being a Racist, a sexist and implied that he was a sexual devient and pedophile. That is all ok because it is Trump. I can say it here, because it is Trump we’re talking about. Say or imply those things about Hillary and company and just watch what the fuck happens. “Fake news” my big wide ass!

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          • The Crone (3085 posts)
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            39. Just as the reality was always: "A war on

            Some Drugs” it is now a “War on some sources.” And the citizenry won’t get to decide which sources really should be negated by that war on “fake news,” at least not for another twenty  years. Whenever their “Wars on” some matter begin, it takes a long long time to stop the war and bring a better reality back into existence.

            Plus the recent  Anti Propaganda Act could mean prison for some, elimination of website, podcast or newspaper for others.

            "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
      • avaistheone1 (1002 posts)
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        34. And the Clintons of all people would be likely of being the most guilty.

          I'm not a conspiracy theorist - I'm a conspiracy analyst.   Gore Vidal      
    • GZeusH (1695 posts)
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      5. KGB has forgotten Khruschev?

      What works as blackmail on the modest ends up validating the boasts of the vulgar.

      Policy:  The mistaken notion that bossy people have that they can influence other people's behavior through majority rule.
      • bemildred (3578 posts)
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        30. Indeed.

        It ain't the things you don't know that hurts you, it's the things you know that ain't so.
        • GZeusH (1695 posts)
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          31. Nikita actually made the Soviet Union work

          He was responsible for most of the rebuilding after WWII, and it took Brezhnev to put the economy to sleep.

          I  guess that cartoon of Khruschev that was going around had some truth to it.  It has a thought bubble above his head: эти туфли мне увывают.

          Policy:  The mistaken notion that bossy people have that they can influence other people's behavior through majority rule.
          • bemildred (3578 posts)
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            32. "This isn't bad, we have a lot of areas just like this in the Soviet Union."

            — Nikita Kruschev on a tour of Harlem at 7:00 AM 1959

             

            It ain't the things you don't know that hurts you, it's the things you know that ain't so.
            • GZeusH (1695 posts)
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              33. Beats 1949

              It’s really hard to compare Soviet and American housing.  To a cramped Soviet citizen, the American system is better;  for a homeless American, the Soviet system works better.

              Policy:  The mistaken notion that bossy people have that they can influence other people's behavior through majority rule.
    • Rozinante (2955 posts)
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      7. Probably regurgitated bullshit.

      Whatever files the Russians have on western leaders and business people…they have nothing to gain by releasing it to the press, or its value disappears.

      it sounds like Guardian is just regurgitating the 4chan/Buzzfeed/CNN  made up story.

      • avaistheone1 (1002 posts)
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        10. Yup. They are just trying to get more eyeballs to their pages.

          I'm not a conspiracy theorist - I'm a conspiracy analyst.   Gore Vidal      
      • The Crone (3085 posts)
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        38. That is perhaps the sanest comment yet.

        Very astute of you. So thanks.

        "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
    • NuttyFluffers (1774 posts)
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      9. the ghost of the USSR haunts neo-liberal dreams eternally…

      FSB people, FSB is Russia’s new name for… oh never mind. let’s all keep partying like it’s 1984.

      :ohwell:

    • Xyzse (2528 posts)
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      11. That is kinda fun.

      Nasty, and as much as I have a morbid curiosity… I want to keep my eyes, and don’t want to go blind any time soon.

    • ConcernedCanuk (846 posts)
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      16. KGB hasn't existed since the USSR broke up in '91

      OH – and Putin’s Party is democratic, not communist . . . 

      I know- details . . . . . 

      picky, picky, picky . . . . . 

      CC

      Why is it when we get older, we can remember the tiniest details from our youth, but not where we put our reading glasses 30 seconds ago?
    • bernintheusa (1252 posts)
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      17. So now we are posting gossip with no reliable source, and you think it is fun ?

      This isn’t even suitable for the National Enquirer.

      imageWe all only live once. So we are obligated to make good use of the time that we have and to do something that is meaningful and satisfying. This is something that I find meaningful and satisfying... I enjoy helping people who are vulnerable. And I enjoy crushing bastards.                        - Julian Assange -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          image                                                                                                     ... for Julian's safety ...   
      • NuttyFluffers (1774 posts)
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        19. now now, this fake news source got the ProporNot seal of approval…

        just like WaPo, NYT, etc…

        • bernintheusa (1252 posts)
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          20. Give me strength.

          image

          imageWe all only live once. So we are obligated to make good use of the time that we have and to do something that is meaningful and satisfying. This is something that I find meaningful and satisfying... I enjoy helping people who are vulnerable. And I enjoy crushing bastards.                        - Julian Assange -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          image                                                                                                     ... for Julian's safety ...   
      • StupidRedhead (2248 posts)
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        22. Remember when we posted other gossip and speculation

        and it got shut down? Can’t be looking into any allegations, someone might get hurt.

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        • bernintheusa (1252 posts)
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          23. So much for the extraordinary evidence thing, eh ?

          imageWe all only live once. So we are obligated to make good use of the time that we have and to do something that is meaningful and satisfying. This is something that I find meaningful and satisfying... I enjoy helping people who are vulnerable. And I enjoy crushing bastards.                        - Julian Assange -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          image                                                                                                     ... for Julian's safety ...   
      • nc4bo (629 posts)
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        25. Only a certain kind of gossip about a certain person(s)

        it seems.

        And if you want a nice Italian dinner, pass on Little Caesar’s since we all know it isn’t nearly authentic enough.

        I will never have electoral relations with THAT woman and I didn't! *Always remember, everything "they" touch turns to shit.*
    • Art from Ark (2532 posts)
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      21. The Guardian has really

      The last time America was run like a business, we ended up with a Great Depression.
    • winter is coming (854 posts)
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      24. It's only compromising if it's illegal or Trump is ashamed of it.

      I don’t think Trump suffers from an excess of shame.

    • peacecorps (3224 posts)
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      28. I worry more about the money Trump owes our own Wall Street and the coming

      deregulation of the financial markets a lot more than incriminating pictures some foreigners may or may not have of Trump.

    • Dont call me Shirley (3107 posts)
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      35. "Russian spies put together compromising dossiers on both Clinton and Trump, the

      dossier says. The Clinton one was innocuous and mostly included bugged conversations.”

      “The Clinton one was the innocuous…”

      That right there ^^^ says the entire story is BULLSHIT!!!!!

      • Sadie (3068 posts)
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        36. Haha

        except that in Russia’s viewpoint making money from the office of Secretary of State isn’t scandalous.  Have to throw sexual escapades in to gain blackmail.  Wonder if the release of the “smoking gun” emails is what brought all of this dossier stuff out again to rehash?

          Wake up, peeps, their kids go to Harvard and Yale; your kids go to Iraq & Afghanistan.   
        • Dont call me Shirley (3107 posts)
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          37. Ah yes, SOS uranium deals, tit for tat, protecting Her reputation

          by distraction and blame shifting.