Guess Who’s Testifying In Congress US Troops Must Stay In Afghanistan Forever?

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    • #420894
      Passionate Progressive
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      When interventionists and national security deep state hawks need to prolong what’s already the longest war in in US history, who’re they gonna call?…

      “Hillary Clinton and Condoleezza Rice told members of the House Foreign Affairs Committee they’re worried about President Biden’s plan to withdraw all U.S. troops from Afghanistan, with Rice suggesting the US may need to go back,” Axios reports.

      The pair’s “expert” testimony was given over Zoom and appears to have been kept relatively quiet, given it was a ‘closed door’ members only call, until Axios learned of it.

      Link to article

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    • #420899
      Pam2
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      Saw a propaganda piece on TV news this morning about how women might have to go back to mandatory burqa wearing if we leave.

       

    • #420901
      Earthartist
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    • #420907
      mrdmk
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      If Clinton wanted to know the real reason she lost in 2016, look no further than this statement of hers. The only topic Clinton is comfortable talking about are women issues. Mostly from an identity point of view. But she is a War Hawk, never a political problem (in her mind) that could not be solved with a military solution. Of course, the soldiers would be the kids of the common peasants.

      Rice is a real piece of work, she was part of the cabal that invaded Afghanistan in the first place. Not to mention, fuck the place up beyond repair. Then when called to Congress for her actions, hided behind state secrets.

      If you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit WC Fields

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    • #420911
      retired liberal
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      Her roll as Secretary of State supporting her crimes against humanity, should have been enough. So would have her roll in the election fraud in the Democratic primaries. Then there is the money in the Clinton Foundation, collected for Haiti, that never got delivered.
      And there are just a few of items sticking above the surface.

      We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
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      Satan
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      …just remember, the woman literally had an OIL TANKER named after her!!

      That oil tanker was owned by Chevron/Texaco.  Not coincidentally, the Bush Crime family puppet who was put in charge of Afghanistan after the invasion, Hamid Karzai, was an employee of UNOCAL Oil.  This invasion was more about an oil & natural gas pipeline going across the country than anything else. And the second biggest motivation was the CIA’s opium supply, which had switched to Afghanistan after the old “Golden Triangle” smuggling route fell apart with the loss of the Vietnam War.

      And then all that mineral wealth (lithium, etc) came in at #3 on the list, though it might actually rank higher by now, as there are a lot more mobile devices & electric cars in existence today than there were in 2001, so that’s a lot of lithium batteries. In either case it had little or nothing to do with Saudi based terrorists or the religious wackjob Taliban.

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    • #420915
      HassleCat
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      You cannot save Afghanistan. They don’t need saving. They don’t want saving. It’s called the Graveyard of Empires for a reason.

    • #420917
      Gryneos
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      if we have to “save” women in Middle Eastern countries, why don’t we have a similar occupying force in Saudi Arabia? They are just as bad, if not worse, and the majority of the 911 terrorists came from SA. I’d love to ask that of those two. I know they’d deflect and avoid answering, but it is a legitimate question.

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      • #420918
        Ohio Barbarian
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        If you do, you are clearly not a good American. (Warning: Sarcasm may be present)

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        He said they have a lot of oil and they are an ally against other regimes — I think he means Iran. He also said “Welcome to the Premier League”.

        Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

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    • #420919
      jbnw
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      before 40 years of war with the US spending $20 BILLION to support the mujahideen in Afghanistan (link).

      Here are just a few pictures from “21 Incredibly Beautiful Photos Of Afghanistan In The Mid-20th Century” (link).

    • #420920
      JonLP
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      The media that brings that up as a reason to stay in Afghanistan are pushing propaganda to encourage the US to stay. The Saudi Arabia government is Wahabbi and they were 1 of 3 countries to officially recognize the Taliban government in Afghanistan before 9/11.

      Saudi Arabia is a US ally. They are also an ally to the UK too.

      Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

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    • #420930
      Snort McDork
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      (crickets).

      BTW, Did Stanford boot Condi out yet?

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    • #420931
      Ohio Barbarian
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      Most of the Taliban are Pashtuns. They’re also Afghans, and all Afghans have a deep sense of allowing home rule. You know, you do your thing in your valley and I’ll do my thing in mine. The corollary, of course, is “You do my thing in my valley, and vice-versa.”

      Just saying the mostly Pashtun Taliban know every other Afghan faction will unite against them if they govern without the consent of most of them. They already have the consent to overall leadership from maybe half the other Afghan tribes and mini-ethnicities. They want the consent to leadership from the few cities as well, just because it’s easier to maintain stability and bring in some good prosperous trade that way.

      And I swear I saw one Taliban negotiator say that Islam can be flexible when it comes to dress for women, as Afghan history has already shown. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Taliban did not offer a compromise on women’s rights, at least within the cities, when the next round of negotiations begin. And they will.

      The American public isn’t the only one tired of the American occupation of Afghanistan and 20 years of simmering, sporadic, chaotic warfare.

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    • #420947
      Mr. Mickeys Mom
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      One, an opportunist who sucked up to Junior-the-idiot-Bush…

      The other, an embarrassment to anything that ever resembled a democratic process with a big “D”…

      Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

    • #420948
      salemcourt
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      want the troops to leave Afghanistan.  Poll survey from last year.

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      Babel 17
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      IIRC a big point of the novel is that the USA had an Elite Conscription Act. I checked, and I recalled correctly.

      https://www.tor.com/2011/02/03/relativity-sociology-and-a-sweet-love-story-joe-haldemans-the-forever-war/

      The brightest got drafted.

      If we had that for the past 40 years, then we’d have seen Harvard and Yale graduates writing home to their parents about what fighting a war in the Middle East was like (or we wouldn’t have used our troops to fight such a war).

      They’d go on to be Senators, and they’d be pissed about being lied to about weapons of mass destruction. And they’d see nothing funny about Clinton destroying Libya and opening its armies and oil production to Her “good terrorists”, who go on to destroy half of Syria.

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      David the Gnome
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      Being asked to speak as if they have any credibility or anything they say matters?

      • #421195
        djean111
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        The Party picks the candidates; they even said that.  They don’t mind little progressive minnows swimming around.   Biden getting us out of Afghanistan was a sorry joke before he even said it.

        Biden and Harris are in the same club.  And that club is money and power, it is in no way generational.  I mean this in the nicest possible way – they have credibility with the people who actually run things, they don’t give a flying fuck what you or I think.   Also, people seem to think Hillary faded away after losing – no, she did not, she knows where all the bodies are buried, she is now just vengeful on top of all the other nasty stuff.   Looks to me like Biden/Harris are going to follow her Third Way list of shit to do to the rest of us just fine.

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      chknltl
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      Around here, ANYTHING Hillary is for gets a rubber stamp of disapproval from any of the Conservatives I know.

      So now when I bring up reasons for the U.S. to withdraw from Afghanistan, all I have to do is tell them that Hillary wants us to stay there!

      No further argument needed…
      Thanks for this.

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