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    • #430434
      HassleCat
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      Some people seem to have a visceral reaction to bicycles and bicyclists. I have had several people try to run me off the road in my years of cycling. I guess we are a very automobile oriented nation, and bikes represent a challenge to the status-quo. That’s my personal theory.

      Police Shoot Pickup Truck Driver They Say Sped Away after Critically Injuring Seven in ‘Vehicles vs. Bicycles Incident’ (msn.com)

       

       

    • #430441
      gordyfl
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        djean111
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        because if I did not constantly watch out for bicyclists, the last sound I might hear on earth would be a bicycle bell.  To just go ahead and assume the bicyclist had the right of way was safest.  The hotel I stayed at was right next to Den Haag Centraal, my room on the ninth floor had a nice little open patio, overlooked both a beautiful park and the parking lot (I think the hotel has been remodeled now) and the loudest noise I ever heard was a bicyclist pounding on a truck and yelling at the driver, in the parking lot. Ha!  I just looked, and now it is the Babylon Hotel, used to be a Sofitel, and while it looks like the hotel has been completely enveloped with newer construction, my little room with a patio is still there!  But not quite as open to the sky any more.

         

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    • #430449
      Gryneos
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      his Super Dooper Doody truck. I have to wonder if it also has “truck nutz” on it. People like that tend to see only massive vehicles as having the right to the road, even over cars. He likely has no clue that paved roads in the US and the UK were created for bicyclists back in the day, because cars didn’t need paved roads back then.

      This is a good article to read about the why of this kind of thinking from motorists:

      New Study Looks at Attitudes of Drivers Toward Cyclists, and It Ain’t Pretty
      By Lloyd Alter | Published July 05, 2017
      Updated October 27, 2018 07:53AM EDT

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    • #430460
      Punxsutawney
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      Just a few days ago. Guy in a big truck. Traffic prevented him from getting fully over fortunately. She had made a left on a green into the bike lane on the road going the direction he was going while he had the red. Can’t figure out what got him started.

      “Tuff” guy in a big pickup harassing an older woman on a bike. Just typical, sadly. Probably good it wasn’t me as I’ve been know to beat on the side of cars that get too close.

      In America, “Liberty” means “Free to Die in Service of Capital” - Amfortas the hippie.

      Most of today’s elites have the moral and social reasoning capacities of spoiled toddlers.

      “People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage...but the privileged also feel that their privileges, however egregious they may seem to others, are a solemn, basic, God-right. The sensitivity of the poor to injustice is a trivial thing c

    • #430472
      ArtfromArk
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      I slow down and give them as much leeway as possible. Then, after I pass them, I check my rear view mirror to make sure I passed them safely.

      “There’s a new spirit abroad in the land. The old days of ‘grab and greed’ are on their way out. We’re beginning to think of what we owe the other fellow, not just what we’re compelled to give him. The time’s coming… when we shan’t be able to fill our bellies in comfort while others go hungry, sleep in warm beds while others shiver in the cold.... And God willing, we’ll live to see that day…” Basil Rathbone,"Sherlock Holmes Faces Death" (Universal 1943)

    • #430473
      ArtfromArk
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      loss of your license, and, in a case like this, even jail time. When you renew your license, you now have to take a class in 煽り運転 (“aori-unten”, or “road rage”) before your license can be renewed.

      “There’s a new spirit abroad in the land. The old days of ‘grab and greed’ are on their way out. We’re beginning to think of what we owe the other fellow, not just what we’re compelled to give him. The time’s coming… when we shan’t be able to fill our bellies in comfort while others go hungry, sleep in warm beds while others shiver in the cold.... And God willing, we’ll live to see that day…” Basil Rathbone,"Sherlock Holmes Faces Death" (Universal 1943)

    • #430482
      doh1304
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      and I was hit by a car (usually a BMW) at least twice a week. In the late 1990s I was a taxi driver and 85% of auto/bicycle accidents in SF were caused by the bicycle. (lane violations and stop sign/red lights) I saw a pattern – not the one you might think.

    • #430486
      Hobbit709
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      He ran a red light in front of me while I had the green.

      “Yes you have the same right to be on the road as me, but you are also required to follow the same traffic laws.”

      I don't waste my time teaching pigs to sing.

      • #430490
        HassleCat
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        Maybe that’s why we are so aften attacked by motorists, because they are angry that we run stop signs, dart out in front of them, etc. By the way, Washington just passed a law that allows cyclists to treat stop signs as yield signs. When I approach a stop sign, I can legally run it if I check for traffic and go only when it’s safe. That seems fair, considering most cars do the same thing, but faster.

        • #430495
          Gryneos
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          are actually conformist, obeying the rules and laws. The reckless assholes make people think that all cyclists are like that. The logic of that would be to think that all drivers are bad due to the actions of the relatively few assholes out there.

          What Kind of Bike Rider Are You? Conformist, Momentumist or Recklist?
          By Lloyd Alter | Updated February 22, 2021
          (Treehugger.com)

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        • #430502
          Hobbit709
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          I was taking a break outside of the building I worked in. The intersection there was a 4-Way Stop. These two bicyclists coming downhill to the stop both ran the stop sign and found each other. They stood there, all scraped up and cussing each other out when the campus cops showed up. when they cop asked them what happened they both started up all over again.

          I said “You want to know what happened, Officer?” He said “What did you see?”

          I said “Both these idiots ran the stop sign and met in the middle.”

          He chuckled while the two of them glared at me.

          I don't waste my time teaching pigs to sing.

    • #430489
      game meat
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      As a group, they’re not my favorite people.

      Where I live, it is very congested, but there are no bike lanes. However, the sidewalks and the shoulder of the road are usually perfectly adequate to accommodate a bicycle. I’m sorry, but the guys who insist of riding in the middle of street at less than half the speed limit, and then refuse to get out of the way when a car is behind them, can’t expect to be well liked by the guy in the car. That’s just flat out rude. They are testing our patience, and I think they know that. Pull that with someone who’s having a bad day…

      And then there’s the ridiculous unflattering outfits (you’re not training for the Tour de France. Who are you kidding?)

      To be fair, asshole drivers are hardly rare either, but it’s not a one way thing.

      • #430492
        HassleCat
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        Pedestrians use sidewalks. That’s a good reason to avoid the bike/pedestrian paths. I ride on the road. I stay right. I don’t mess with car drivers and they have no reason to mess with me.

        • #430544
          closeupready
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          Particularly bikers who swoop in from behind me. So yes, I watch my back at a clip of about every 10 seconds. Have saved myself numerous collisions that way.

          Other than that, I never bike in the city because it’s so dangerous. Yes, everyone is supposed to obey the rules of the road, but dangerous drivers who don’t care about rules (because “rules are for sissies!”) put bikers at a disadvantage, and a fatal one too often.

          My rule of thumb for the last 10-15 years has been, if I see someone coming my way – in a car, bike or even walking – I cross the street, get out of the way, hustle into a coffee shop, whatever, assuming they mean me harm (or will do me harm unintentionally).

          Separately, there was a story locally here in the last 3 years of someone sprinkling thumb tacks on the sidewalk in some neighborhood like Astoria or Jackson Heights. The spiteful part of me chuckles about that. So no, it’s not just you and me; lots of people have bikes on sidewalks.

          The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

      • #430496
        Gryneos
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        is not rude. It’s the best way to be safe when cycling. Because a bicycle will never ‘win’ against a car in an accident. Taking up the whole lane ensures that you aren’t sideswiped, crushed, or run over because the driver can’t see you.

        How to Not Get Hit by Cars
        important lessons in Bicycle Safety

        This page shows you real ways you can get hit and real ways to avoid them.
        Collision Type #1: The Right Cross
        Collision Type #2: The Door Prize
        Collision Type #3: The Crosswalk Slam
        Collision Type #4: The Wrong-Way Wreck
        Collision Type #5: The Red Light of Death
        Collision Type #6: The Right Hook
        Collision Type #7: The Right Hook, pt. 2
        Collision Type #8: The Left Cross
        Collision Type #9: The Rear End
        Collision Type #10: The Rear End, pt. 2

        Explanations with diagrams at the linked headline.

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        • #430506
          game meat
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          …is really all I hope for in these situations. Of course, that expectation can often leave one disappointed. Such is life.

          I read these bike tips out of curiosity because I’ve never heard that it’s safer for bikes to stay in the car lane as a general rule, but that doesn’t seem to be what it says. I think these tips are good advice. The people I get annoyed with are doing the things this article advises against.

          You might worry about slowing down the traffic behind you if you take the lane. But if you’re on the kind of street where you’ve got cars blocked up behind you or constantly changing lanes to get around you, you’re probably on the wrong street and should find a quieter neighborhood street.

          There are risks to both riding to the extreme right as well as taking the lane. Whether you ride to the right or take the lane depends on the conditions of the roadway you’re on. On wide roadways with few intersections/driveways, right further right. On narrow roads with lots of intersections, ride farther to the left. It’s not always better to take the lane or to hug the curb; it depends on the roadway you’re on.

           

        • #430536
          doh1304
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          That murderous article keeps suggesting riding in a driving lane. The only things stupider are riding against traffic and swerving into a driving lane. Never assume a car will chose not to hit you. Always assume any car intends to hit you. You will rarely be disappointed.

    • #430499
      MikeW285
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      On our two lane roads here in exurb/rural North Carolina, I treat US postal service vehicles that’re stopped at a mailbox, and bicycles the same: I slow way down as I approach them from behind, and if I can’t safely pass them (needing to go a little bit into the on-coming lane), I come to a near-halt if needed til it’s safe to pass. There’re some blind curves around here. Safety first.

    • #430501
      Pam2
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      ..Ride on bike only trails. I don’t own a bike but if I did, I would be too scared to get on the road with cars. Fortunately in my state there are lots of safe places to ride.

      Trails | Michigan Trails and Greenways Alliance

       

    • #430591
      gordyfl
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      Alec Baldwin Arrested After Riding Bike Wrong Way On Fifth Avenue…Youtube…

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZf3ZoAmcM8

      • #430606
        closeupready
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        I know that sometimes women are advised to walk in a direction COUNTER to traffic on one-way streets, if it’s late or if you are in unfamiliar neighborhoods. The idea being that it’s harder for a predator to track a victim if they are driving one way with no ability to u-turn and the intended victim is walking the opposite way.

        And I have heard advice to ride a bike in a direction which opposes the flow of vehicular traffic. It may be illegal but then so are a lot of things in NYC for which the laws stay unenforced by the police. Just look at the hot mess known as Washington Square Park.

        The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

        • #430609
          ArtfromArk
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          +1

          “There’s a new spirit abroad in the land. The old days of ‘grab and greed’ are on their way out. We’re beginning to think of what we owe the other fellow, not just what we’re compelled to give him. The time’s coming… when we shan’t be able to fill our bellies in comfort while others go hungry, sleep in warm beds while others shiver in the cold.... And God willing, we’ll live to see that day…” Basil Rathbone,"Sherlock Holmes Faces Death" (Universal 1943)

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