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    Here’s the WikiLeaks Bombshell on Clinton that Is Still to Come

    Here’s the WikiLeaks Bombshell on Clinton that Is Still to Come

    By Pam Martens and Russ Martens: November 8, 2016

    Two partners at major law firms have likely been holding their breath since WikiLeaks released an email on November 1 showing that Obama had vetted Hillary Clinton for Vice President and the review came back “too critical,” thus leading Obama to select Joe Biden as his Vice Presidential pick during the 2008 campaign. The vetting memorandum on Clinton shows in the email thread to have been transmitted with the email but WikiLeaks has not provided it – yet.

    https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/41419#

    According to the email, which carries a capitalized heading of “CONFIDENTIAL,” the vetting of Clinton had been done by James Hamilton, then a law partner at Bingham McCutchen LLP. Hamilton is now a partner at Morgan Lewis, a firm with a long history of ties to Wall Street. His official bio shows that he “served as the Clinton-Gore transition counsel for nominations and confirmations,” “as the principal Clinton White House vetter for Supreme Court nominations,” “was in charge of vetting vice presidential candidates in 2000 for Al Gore,” did the same for John Kerry in 2004 and for Obama in 2008. His bio also indicates that he “vetted candidates for Cabinet, the Department of Justice, White House, and Supreme Court for the Obama administration.”

    Upon receipt of the email and memorandums on September 4, 2008, Michael Froman issued an email to other members of Obama’s Transition Team stating: “Per our discussion, please do not circulate any further.” Froman was an executive at the insolvent Wall Street behemoth, Citigroup. At the time of this email, Citigroup had been secretly receiving tens of billions of dollars in below-market-rate loans from the Federal Reserve to prop up its insolvent carcass and stood as the poster child for gross mismanagement. Citigroup would go on to receive the largest taxpayer bailout in U.S. history. Froman was employed at the very division of the bank that blew it up before the year was out.

    Notwithstanding Froman’s ties to Citigroup, Froman was in charge of staffing the cabinet and subcabinet positions for Obama’s first term. Among the emails released by WikiLeaks, there are 351 emails which show the tight reins Froman held in the selection of Obama’s administration. (See related articles below.)

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    • ThouArtThat (4053 posts)
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      1. Thank You For Sharing

      eom

      "In America Today, Power Corrupts and Money Corrupts Absolutely" - Anonymous  
    • bernintheusa (1252 posts)
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      2. So many bombshells, so little time. None of the #%! bombshells hit the target.

      imageWe all only live once. So we are obligated to make good use of the time that we have and to do something that is meaningful and satisfying. This is something that I find meaningful and satisfying... I enjoy helping people who are vulnerable. And I enjoy crushing bastards.                        - Julian Assange -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          image                                                                                                     ... for Julian's safety ...   
      • davidgmills (4766 posts)
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        3. I really think Assange is a bit naive when it comes to American politics

        But that has to be expected.  He expects some level of rationality in a “civilized world” and we don’t meet that standard.

        French Revolution; not secession.
      • Sadie (3068 posts)
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        4. Conditioning

        The masses have been conditioned to be numb to the hits, thus they follow along to the Pied Piper.

        The MSM is complicit the whole entire way along with the Hollywood elites who encouraged and promoted the complicit citizens to keep following their lead.   I admit to being one for a few years and then Bernie came along.  He allowed me to see the whole picture much clearer.  I sense that Bernie knows everything we are just learning and knows there isn’t one damn thing he could have done to prevent this.  At his age, I feel so proud that he held his ground for as long as he could.

        This club that we are not in, is unbelievably powerful.  I fear that it will not be overcome easily.

        I am numb now myself.  My conspiracy nut brother (whom I love dearly) has been saying this sort of stuff for years?  wow.  I blamed his ideas on a terrible motorcycle accident that nearly killed him.  I have no words right now.

          Wake up, peeps, their kids go to Harvard and Yale; your kids go to Iraq & Afghanistan.   
      • RealityCheck (708 posts)
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        44. Lets hope that …………..

        Trump’s DoJ will execute Billary Inc with all these WikiLeak’s bombshells!!!!

    • 2cannan (1363 posts)
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      5. If only the attached memo was out, we could see in black and white

      in one place all of the reasons why she should not be president!

    • 2cannan (1363 posts)
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      6. Podesta's f/u memo re: an email from Hamilton

      https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/54725

      RE: Transition
      From:[email protected]
      To: [email protected], [email protected]
      Date: 2008-10-13 01:17
      Subject: RE: Transition
      Will do

      —–Original Message—–
      From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
      Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 3:01 PM
      To: Gips, Don; Melody Barnes
      Subject: Fw: Transition

      Hamilton is pretty grumpy that we didn’t make him vetting czar. Maybe we can make a place for this guy at least as a volunteer. Let me know.
      Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

      • Sadie (3068 posts)
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        10. Is it coming

        today after election close?

        I am having trouble deciphering everything, because when we did the reading of Podesta’s mail we didn’t go back to 2008.

          Wake up, peeps, their kids go to Harvard and Yale; your kids go to Iraq & Afghanistan.   
    • antigop (823 posts)
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      7. So why was it ok for her to be SOS, but not VP? nt

      • polly7 (2614 posts)
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        8. That's just what I wonder about too.

        She had so much power as SOS ………. what ‘skills’ in foreign relations did she have in her resume?

        (in her case, destroying countries and the lives of millions of people)

        • CNW (2492 posts)
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          15. I think that . . . .

          She agreed to not press for a roll call or contest the election of Obama. That was what was agreed when they had a confidential meeting before she conceded the election and supported Obama. Obama then would also assist in her election as president next time, hence “it’s her turn”.

          This is the only reason I can think of – as they really don’t like each other. This comes from remarks made by both of them over the years.
          It’s also pretty obvious that Obama isn’t stupid, but to support Hillary for president considering her past decisions as SoS is a very stupid action and is definitely not in America’s interest. I also think he was aware of her lack of good judgment but he wanted the presidency so bad he made a deal. Maybe he’s afraid of what she knows about him and she’ll spill the beans if he doesn’t go along.

          As Secretary of State, she had access to world money people and could use the entire US Government including especially the Military Industrial Complex for their personal profit. I suspect that Bill was the brains behind that as he has always been a clever, criminal grifter/hustler.

          Otherwise she had no notable skills that I’m aware of, she never did anything of much importance for the people.  I don’t consider her to be particularly capable of anything on her own other than making deals to carry the water for the big dogs and keep her mouth shut.

          • polly7 (2614 posts)
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            22. Thank you for the thoughtful reply.

            Everything you’ve said makes sense.  It makes you wonder whatever happened to elections that are supposed to elect, by popular vote of the citizens these people work for, decent politicians invested in bettering the lives of human beings – not corporations, and that were once? fair and simple.  It’s all such a tangled web now.  I imagine it’s the same everywhere being that the top 1% are after it all, everywhere.  Sad and angry seeing it.

      • Babel 17 (2569 posts)
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        17. Also curious

      • Mad to the Marrow (615 posts)
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        24. It doesn't make much sense, does it?

        I keep asking myself (& my poor husband) “Why Her?”

        If it’s bank-friendly folks PTB wants, there’s plenty of younger, better-liked (ha, Al Franken!), healthier “Dems” out there.

        So “Why Her?” Why are they propping up an obviously ill, fiercely hated candidate w/ more baggage than a bus terminal, & zero charisma?

        What is it that she can or will do that other candidates aren’t capable of?

         

         

         

      • glinda (1791 posts)
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        25. Read a long time ago he wanted to "put her in a box" in a way and isolate her

        to watch over things?????Or some reason but now I think it is because he wanted the smokescreen to make it appear they were separated in intentions  all the time operating in tandem with the “space” between him and the CF. Just in case.

        Animals know more than we do. - Native American proverb
      • leveymg (2698 posts)
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        26. Q. 2 – So, if she wasn't ok for VP IN 08, why did the Party let her run in 2016?

        Did four years of riding around in AF C-17s destabilizing the Mideast and killing hundreds of thousands of people make her more virtuous and accomplished?  Perhaps, in the eyes of those who think that’s a really, really good thing to do, and keep on doing.  I’m thinking she demonstrated her street cred, like a gang initiate, by capping Ghadaffi and severely wounding Assad, crippling Iran, and generally turning the region upside down.

        • antigop (823 posts)
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          27. Thx,What do you think they found in the VP vetting that was "too critical"?

          • leveymg (2698 posts)
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            28. Probably a lot of the same things that came out in the Podesta emails.

            Acceptance of dirty money from corrupt foreign agents and dictators didn’t start with her appointment as SOS.   Before the Foundation, there was the Clinton Library and multiple funder scandals going back to 1996.  The NYT reviewed those in 2007:  http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us/politics/20clinton.html

            In addition, here’s something in the WaPo about the pipeline of tens of millions from the Saudis to the Clintons going back 20 years:  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/14/AR2007121402124.html

            Clinton Library Got Funds From Abroad

            By John Solomon and Jeffrey H. Birnbaum
            Washington Post Staff Writers
            Saturday, December 15, 2007
            Bill Clinton’s presidential library raised more than 10 percent of the cost of its $165 million facility from foreign sources, with the most generous overseas donation coming from Saudi Arabia, according to interviews yesterday.

            The royal family of Saudi Arabia gave the Clinton facility in Little Rock about $10 million, roughly the same amount it gave toward the presidential library of George H.W. Bush, according to people directly familiar with the contributions.

            The presidential campaign of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) has for months faced questions about the source of the money for her husband’s presidential library. During a September debate, moderator Tim Russert asked the senator whether her husband would release a donor list. Clinton said she was sure her husband would “be happy to consider that,” though the former president later declined to provide a list of donors.

            And a Times Op-ed had this to say at the time about money flowing to the Clintons from China by way of the Lippo Group:  http://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/19/opinion/clinton-s-dirty-money.html

            • antigop (823 posts)
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              30. thx. I'll wave to you from my balcony. What kind of wine are you drinking? nt

              • leveymg (2698 posts)
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                31. Even on a day like this, it's still a little early.

                But, there will likely be a Pinot Grigio or Cabernet Sauvignon around dinner time.  No champagne tonight.  Not celebrating.

                • antigop (823 posts)
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                  32. We were screwed regardless of the outcome, imo. nt

                  • leveymg (2698 posts)
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                    33. I think I'll have that glass of wine, first. eom

        • bjo59 (3609 posts)
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          36. I think you're right.

          War is hugely profitable for international banks.  She did a good job for them.

    • cyberpj (2367 posts)
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      9. "but WikiLeaks has not provided it yet". WTF were/are they waiting for?

      Too late now.

      QUESTION EVERYTHING 
      • bjo59 (3609 posts)
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        37. It really seems like they were saving those most horrendous for after the

        election.  There’s probably some other reason.  They’ll keep releasing emails even though she lost the election, won’t they?  (Had a momentary fear that they might stop.)

        • Rosa Luxemburg (1150 posts)
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          49. I wish they had released them during the primaries

          Trump salt trumpG7
          • bjo59 (3609 posts)
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            50. Me too.

    • NJCher (1859 posts)
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      11. so the main points….

      1. HRC didn’t pass the vetting process to be Obama’s VP and hopefully Wikileaks will be releasing the reasons today.

      2. Our gov’t farms out the job of vetting candidates for our government’s staff positions to Wall St. law firms.

      3. Judging by the numbers of positions they vet, one could say the banks control who gets what job. Wall Street controls who is in what position in government.

      4. One of the chief bank incompetents, Froman, seems to have been scared that the contents of this investigation on HRC would get out.

      5. Citigroup, Froman’s employer, was receiving secret below-market rate loans at the time this happened. Otherwise, their sorry asses would have been out of business.

      4. In the ultimate in fox guarding the hen house moves, Obama appoints Christine Varney to head the anti-trust division at the Dept. of Justice. She merrily allows bank consolidations to continue.

      5. A third of these banks are convicted of felonies, yet they decide what our savings rates are going to be and how much credit card interest is going to be.

      6. The chief incompetent from Citigroup, Froman, goes on to become Obama’s assistant in international economic affairs. This is a gov’t position. You and I are footing the bill for his salary. Yet, if we wanted to see the TPP, we’d have to be elected to Congress first, and even then, we would have to give up our cell phone at the door before we could read it.

      This is so outrageous. What a complete and utter pushover Obama was/is.


      Cher

      • antigop (823 posts)
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        12. What did they find???? nt

        • NJCher (1859 posts)
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          13. in keeping with Julian Assange's penchant for suspense

          we will be waiting to see what was so horrific, even to these jaded, corrupt individuals.


          Cher

          • antigop (823 posts)
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            14. but why would it be ok for her to be SOS, but not VP?? nt

            • CNW (2492 posts)
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              16. It could be this . . .

              “As Secretary of State, she had access to world money people and could use the entire US Government including especially the Military Industrial Complex for their personal profit. I suspect that Bill was the brains behind that as he has always been a clever, criminal grifter/hustler.”

              • antigop (823 posts)
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                19. They must have found something in the vetting process that eliminated her from

                consideration for VP.

                Whatever they found — why would it eliminate her from the VP slot, but didn’t eliminate her from the SOS slot?

                When they said she was “too critical” — ” too critical” for the MIC?  i.e., she was “too critical” of an asset to be wasted on VP? She was of more benefit to the MIC as SOS?

                • CNW (2492 posts)
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                  20. I thought they meant the review itself was too critical of her.

                  Maybe her background was too objectionable as VP candidate.  It would be nice to see the report itself.

          • CNW (2492 posts)
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            18. I'm patient . . but come on Wikileaks . . show me.

      • bjo59 (3609 posts)
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        38. I've always thought Obama was something much worse than a pushover.

    • trudyco (1337 posts)
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      23. Perhaps Assange isn't in a hurry because as he said she's going to win anyway.

      The fix is already in and he knows it. So timing just doesn’t matter. They weren’t going to let Bernie win either. Perhaps it has to do with protecting leakers, or with making sure Trump is better, or persuading key people to join them and making sure the information is disseminated enough that TPTB can’t stop them.

      Or maybe Assange just loves the attention. It’s not like he can distract himself by going to a game. Maybe he’s gotten addicted to the attention. It’s been extremely stressful just trying to figure out who are the good guys and who are the bad guys!

    • farleftlib (1353 posts)
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      29. I wish she had been VP

      As such I’m sure she couldn’t have done the damage to Libya, Honduras et al that she was able to accomplish as SoS. :facepalm:

      Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, that's all who ever have. Margaret Mead
      • CNW (2492 posts)
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        35. many lives destroyed by her. There should be a price paid for that.

      • cyberpj (2367 posts)
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        41. The civilian collateral damage inflicted apparently without concern horrifies me

        The constant use of favorably timed rebels in changing scenarios has positioned us to both support and damage our own fighters in more than one instance.

        Covert operations have become unconscionable to me.

        Someone is ultimately responsible for the death and destruction.

        And it’s me.

        Because of Her.
        And Them With Her.

        QUESTION EVERYTHING 
    • snot (880 posts)
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      34. Fwiw, everyone, at this point, no human at WL is deciding what's released when.

      According to Assange in his most recent public appearance (by phone, after his internet was cut off), the releases are determined by software they created called the “Stochastic Terminator”; an algorithm that releases emails periodically based on recent searches done on the those released so far and on what’s in the news.

      He did not specify when this thing went into action, but my general impression was that it began before his net access was cut off.   I have speculated that the creation of this device was part of WL’s planning for that eventuality – to ensure that no matter what happened to him or other WL personnel, the emails would come out.

      That said, as I understood, WL believed Hillary’s win was inevitable, and the main point of the email releases was to ensure that everyone knew exactly what she was and who she was beholden to, so that the world would know in advance rather than belatedly how to interpret her actions as Pres.

      NOW, we need to know a lot more about Trump, quick.

      Nothing is inevitable, except defeat for those who give up without a fight.  —"Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" (1961), script by Irwin Allen & Charles Bennett. https://www.battleforthenet.com/images/change_avatar/avatar-white-red.gif
      • bjo59 (3609 posts)
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        39. I hadn't come across that information. Thank you!

      • NJCher (1859 posts)
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        40. Me, either

        IMO, an massive investigation needs to be done to see if Bernie really was the winner. I know you and I probably think that, but certain people need to be convinced. Then they need to indict the people responsible.

        Then they need to hold the election over because the election procedure was thwarted.

        The price to pay if they don’t will be continuing protests over Trump. It could get very nasty.

        The fallout on this is much worse than I thought it was going to be. I have one Hillary-supporting business colleague who has just up and gone missing. We think he’s at the protests in NYC.  Another, who didn’t support Hillary but mildly supported Bernie, is holed up in his NYC apartment, so depressed he won’t come out and even go to work.


        Cher

         

        • St aug girl (2067 posts)
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          45. Just read the election justice report. It is on their website.

          Election Justice USA. It convinced me. They explained how it was done.

      • cyberpj (2367 posts)
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        42. As an observer in life (read: introvert) here's my impression:

        The Donald has some blue collar blood.

        Was a Democrat for many years. (Maybe pre-3rd-way, I’d have to check.)

        Always joked about running as Republican because he thought they would be easier to fool and he could win.

        Was an over privileged white man with frat boy ego characteristics but doesn’t drink or use drugs, supposedly after seeing the actions of family members who did

        Is a serial younger-model marrying man.

        Has impressive and respectful children.

        Appeared to change as he campaigned and met people from everywhere across the country.

        Eventually promised his supporters, calmly, sincerely, time after time, he would not let them down.

        Will reward those republicans that stood with him when the others ran to Her.

        Will install people we don’t like and do things we don’t like.

        Won’t start war, cold or hot, with Russia.

        Feels like he will be also doing things we do like based on that promise to his supporters.

        Just my thoughts at this time.

        In the end, it feels like Trump will do what he wants no matter how they try to stack his deck.

        I’m trying to not project his past or their campaign claims onto his future.

        To be willing to see what happens.

        QUESTION EVERYTHING 
        • baran (93 posts)
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          43. His two sons are trophy hunters. That's all I know about them.

          That’s all I need to know about them.

          • glinda (1791 posts)
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            46. I prefer to call them people who kill endangered and struggling species.

            Animals know more than we do. - Native American proverb
            • kelly (428 posts)
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              47. that would be all of us.

              just not as proudly.

              • glinda (1791 posts)
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                48. +1

                Animals know more than we do. - Native American proverb
        • snot (880 posts)
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          51. Trump seems more than able to rationalize whatever he wants

          as “best for the country,” and to sell whatever that is to his followers.

          Nothing is inevitable, except defeat for those who give up without a fight.  —"Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" (1961), script by Irwin Allen & Charles Bennett. https://www.battleforthenet.com/images/change_avatar/avatar-white-red.gif