Here's what a UN human rights investigator says about the Venezuela "crisis"

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    • #29753
      ArtfromArk
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    • #29771
      David the Gnome
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      I listened to the first ten minutes… getting way too pissed off to hear the rest.  The sanctions actually deliberately blocked supplies of food and medicine from going through – even when paid for.  Even fucking insulin.  Should come as no surprise, given that big pharma is quite literally killing people here in the US with insulin prices.  Despicable, disgusting, infuriating.  Neither the US major media outlets, nor most of the those in Europe will offer this investigator an interview.  They do not want this information known and shared – if it was, it might just show to the world that this humanitarian crisis was deliberately caused by the US and it’s allies.

      I don’t care what the ultimate reason is.  It is our governments that have caused this economic crisis that is becoming (or has become, if you prefer) a humanitarian crisis.  It is secrecy, it is bull shit and lies about democracy, about the rule of law.  It is hypocrisy, it is some of the worst sort of bull shit I have ever heard of or read.  Once again… waving the fucking banner of “democracy” and “regime change”, pointing to an “evil dictator” the US pushes a coup – and is perhaps attempting to gather support for a military option.

      One question I ask myself with some… severe doubt, is does Bernie Sanders know about this?  If he does – and nonetheless is failing to say anything about it, that… well, to me, that is pretty damn extreme.  Lies of omission are some times necessary for various reasons – but this is a rather extreme one, that could lead to who knows what.

      Why are all of the powers that be lying their fucking asses off about this?  Is it really just the oil and/or regional control?  Why?  Are they really that scared of socialism?  Are they really that scared of anything that isn’t a western style (oligarchy) “democracy”?  I cannot understand this.  I am torn between anger at the assholes inflicting this – and sadness for those who cannot get medicine, food, things they need.  We have that same problem in America – but in Venezuela, via sanctions, our government has made it far worse… all the while lying about the necessity of it.  As they do in Russia, as they did in Libya, as they did in Syria, in Iraq….

      Shit.

      • #29777
        ArtfromArk
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        You really have a way with words. You really hit the nail on the head, over and over again.

      • #29803
        ThouArtThat
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        David, I always have to chuckle at your moralizing and angst.  While understandable, it is misplaced in this situation.

        What did we all learn as children during our indoctrination as future foot soldiers of capitalism?  President Calvin Coolidge set us straight way back in 1925 when he said in a speech of that day ” The Business of America is Business”.  Show this Citizen anything that has happened in the 20th Century or later that undermines that claim.  We all see “Business as Usual” as the dominant American operating paradigm every day.

        What did we learn from Marine Corp General Smedley Butler of his time in service to the State?

        “I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer; a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”

        Seems a clear refection of BAU to this Citizen.

        What did we learn when FDR began his sweeping plans to recover from the great depression?  Said same Smedley Butler foiled a plot of Oligarchs to assassinate FDR as a traitor to his socioeconomic class.  Once again, seems a clear reflection of Coolidge’s prior statement of fact.

        What did we learn when Eisenhower warned us of excessive state power in the form of the MIC?  He told us the following in his Cross of Iron speech.

        “Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter with a half-million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. . . . This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.”

        Seems to this Citizen that BAU was gathering full steam as it marched into the Cold War and the growing American Empire.

        What did we learn when Eisenhower left office?  That same MIC had become much more powerful.

        “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.”

        History is clear and Eisenhower understood all too well what Smedley Butler warned all about in his book “War is a Racket”. Yet more “Business as Usual”.

        Fast forward a few years and what did we learn when John Fitzgerald Kennedy was assassinated?  We learned that JFK planned to withdraw from Southeast Asia and forestall further escalation of the Vietnam War.  We also learned that he planned to dismantle the CIA and “scatter it to the winds”.  For those planned actions he was taken off the playing field which served one and only one set of interests.  Those being “Business as Usual” and the future profits from war, trade and empire.

        Need the examples continue?  The historical trend should be clear.  America is all about taking and exploiting resources that benefit the real owners of this country – the Oligarchs, Corporations and Banks.  If people want real change in this country then those same interests that took out Kennedy and almost eliminated FDR need be brought to heel.  Anything less allows the rot of “Business as Usual” to continue to the detriment of all humanity.

         

         

         

        "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
        - John F. Kennedy

        "In a Time of Universal Deceit - Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act."
        - George Orwell

        "They must find it difficult ... Those who have taken authority as the truth,
        Rather than truth as the authority."
        - Gerald Massey

        "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
        - Jiddu Krishnamurti

    • #29775
      David the Gnome
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      To those who come across this post – watch the video.  It is extremely enlightening – and confirms what a lot of us already suspected (and perhaps a few of us already knew).  I can not rec this one enough.  Watch it, it is worth your time.  Major kudos to artfromark – thank you for posting this, much as it has pissed me off, I prefer to know these things, we can’t fix shit if we don’t know it’s broken.  Maybe somehow we can find a way to fix this, even though it seems the US/Europe is set on this course… the people, I expect, can be convinced otherwise.  Make this video go fucking viral, get hundreds of millions to watch it – and that would probably do it.

      An informed populace is something that the powers that be do not want – the reason why is apparent every time things like that discussed in the video come to light.  Power, money, control.  Well, fuck em.  Fuck the oligarchs and their willing tools.  I will never support such – and I will tell them to their faces what a bunch of lying weaselfucks they are.  We should all do so.  Trust – but verify.  Question everything the mainstream media (or ANY media) tells you.  Search for the facts, the figures, the reports.  Information is a power that can be even greater than money.

    • #29780
      David the Gnome
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      @artfromark

      Thanks.  It’s a strange thing, to be so angry about these things that I question my ability to do anything about.  Still, I think we have to hit these nails on the head, spread the word, get this information out there and into the hands of the people – THAT is the real task of journalism, or investigation, or what have you.  It is informing the people of things which they ought to know.  I’m sharing this video on facebook – and encourage everyone here to share it wherever they can.  The more of us that know, the more of us that share… the more likely it is we might be able to stop the regime change operation in it’s tracks.  Yes, we can, but only with awareness of the truth – of the reason/s why we should.

      Ain’t easy for me.  Usually the angrier I get, the more likely it is I’ll have anxiety attacks… but in this case, I welcome them, I welcome the anger and the anxiety – because I would much rather feel that, than feel nothing at all.  Odd statement, perhaps, but, uh, hit the damn triggers, folks, I know it isn’t easy, but knowledge leads to wisdom which leads to great personal growth, over time.  If we can handle it.

    • #29835
      David the Gnome
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      @thouartthat

      What would you propose to bring those interests to heel?  You might chuckle at my moralizing and angst – and perhaps it is something to be chuckled at.  I am still working my way through comprehending a lot of things you probably learned years ago.  Oh, I’m somewhat familiar with the things you speak of, but only in the sense that I’ve read of them, heard of them, seen them acted out on television.  Everyone you mentioned in your post died well before I was born – and quite some time before I was of age to vote.  The closest we have to such today… I think, are people like Sanders, Gabbard, AOC.

      While these three may have certain popular support (and a majority of the people would agree with them about most issues) they are severely outnumbered – and their opponents own the world, basically.

      I have some notion of the crushing weight that history can be – especially when it is a history of corruption, oppression, murder, theft.  That does not mean that the future cannot be better.  You speak of those who understood these things, of rebellion, of assassination.  Yeah, all of that is possible – but what would the world be like without Butler, FDR, Eisenhower, JFK, Martin Luther King, Louis Armstrong…. and the many, many people who’s lives and hearts they touched?  A far darker place than it is, even now, I believe.

      It may be that, in the scheme of things, their words and actions will echo throughout the years to come, as they do now.  I don’t think anyone human can listen to a speech MLK and not be moved by it, there was a reason Eisenhower was admired, a reason FDR and JFK were loved.  It is because that drive, that passion for a better world, for greater justice, compassion, for the… nobility of which humanity is capable to come to the fore.  Each of them was flawed – but each of them understood certain things, even simple things, that we might all be much better off for.

      Perhaps, somewhere, in their words and deeds – and in those who follow (or at least attempt to follow) in their footsteps today… perhaps there is somewhere where we might find the solution to our oligarchy problem.  Or… perhaps I am naïve to think so.  Going to keep trying, either way.  I may not be one of those great people, but words – even those full of moralizing and angst – can some times have a powerful effect.

      • #29848
        ThouArtThat
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        @david_the_gnome

        Hi David,

        Sad that your answer relies on a argument of “all that did not happen during my lifetime”.

        The point was and still is America is all about serving the interest of Oligarchs, Corporations and Banks.

        And that history is well established and continues to this very day as seen in Venezuela.

        American foreign policy is all about empire as Smedley Butler so eloquently stated and quoted previously.

        Nothing has changed since his comments or publishing of his book – War is a Racket.

        "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
        - John F. Kennedy

        "In a Time of Universal Deceit - Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act."
        - George Orwell

        "They must find it difficult ... Those who have taken authority as the truth,
        Rather than truth as the authority."
        - Gerald Massey

        "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
        - Jiddu Krishnamurti

    • #29870
      David the Gnome
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      I’m not sitting here supporting it, am I?  Hell, what are we even disagreeing about?  Also, you’re wrong about my answer – it relies on my understanding of this Country and the world as I know it, which will certainly differ from yours.

      I get it, war IS a racket.  We should have overthrown the oligarchs long ago – but I do not see why it cannot still be done.  I believe it can – I believe we can bring those special interests to heel.  When you say “America is all about serving the interest of Oligarchs, Corporations and Banks.”  You are only partially correct.  The American people, in general, despise them as much as you or I do – the problem is that too many of us have given up on trying to do anything about them.  Millions who don’t vote, millions who think it makes no difference anyway, millions who’s concerns revolve around buying food and gas for the day, paying bills, hell, just surviving.

      The American government – and the oligarchs that rule it are not omniscient, not invulnerable.  If anything, I think the current… let’s say “revolutionary” mood in America demonstrates that.  Why does anyone support Bernie Sanders?  Or AOC?  Not because we’re happy to be serving oligarchs, corporations and banks.

      So, I really still do not get your point.  All of that DID NOT happen in my lifetime.  I am not opposed to the things you speak of wanting to happen.  So why the mockery and condescension?

      • #29921
        Spanish Devil
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        (This is a reply to ThouArtThat, above) Yes. Putative Empires have Imperial Reasons, which may often appear as unreason to an objective observer.

        The stated aim is to re-feudalize Venezuela and Nicaragua and Cuba. The unstated aim is, surely, to “secure the backyard” while preparing “regime change” action in China.

      • #29941
        Spanish Devil
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        David, you say that “(t)he American people, in general, despise (Oligarchs, Corporations and Banks) as much as you or I do – the problem is that too many of us have given up on trying to do anything about them. Millions who don’t vote, millions who think it makes no difference anyway, millions who’s concerns revolve around buying food and gas for the day, paying bills, hell, just surviving.”

        I think, observing from this distance, you are right. I would add that those millions and many millions more are constantly subjected to a bombardment of mostly frivolous and frequently simply false information framed to distract attention from the Imperial Agenda the above-mentioned despised ones and their intellectual leading lights and associated lackeys have set their stony hearts upon as part of a centuries-old historical project: the re-creation of Rome, the New Rome, an Empire destined by ancient Greek but mostly ancient Judaic as well as North-West European mystical annointment, it is apparently claimed, to dominate not only the planet (and must therefore first dominate China and the likes of Russia as well as Europeans and all Americans) but all the resources of this solar system, its legions based and patrolling everywhere and in the minds of everyone whether citizen, non-citizen, slave or unperson.

        In the first Roman Empire, as in others of the ancient worlds, wealthy elites and their families and some lackeys lived extremely comfortable lives. Imagine now all that plus modern technology (they think).

        The majority were not wealthy, not even citizens, very often slaves, for as long as as slaves they could survive. To change this trajectory I think it is necessary to act internationally, globally. A first step is to somehow burst the bubble blown up by the media bombardment as people see for themselves what’s going on. And this is happening, so you are right not to feel pessimistic, imho.

    • #29879
      David the Gnome
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      @thouartthat

      I just want to say, that you are someone who I have always considered wise in the ways of the world.  I have learned things from you.  You are someone who’s opinion I consider worthy of consideration and respect, someone that I admire.  So, if I have done or said something which is worthy of your contempt, or if I have offended you in some way, then I humbly beg your pardon.

      I do not always understand you.  I am trying to.

    • #29932
      GZeusH
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      What do we do?  We wait until someone figures out how to take down the distributed power of the Oligarchs.  They are in a much better state than Czar Nicholas II, if one of them abdicates (or passes away in the case of octogenarians Buffet and Soros) a dozen candidates with the same world view are waiting to take over.

      Aside from a nuclear strike on Davos when they are all assembled there, not much can be done.   What is to be done (if I can lift Lenin’s book title) is a to change human nature.  This genetic disposition to obsequiously snivel to the alpha-male (the rich and powerful) has to be extinguished in the population.  We need to replace chimpanzee warrior genes with bonobo sociability genes.

      Fortunately, climate change is getting ready to wipe the slate clean on homonids, at least to the point that if any populations survive to the other side, they will have to have a completely different set of behaviors than those that made human beings evolutionary successes.

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