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  • Rocker (500 posts)
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    Here's what I see converging/colliding on Friday

    1. The corrupt elites who are paid off lobbyists, politicians, PR firms and cronies of every sort vs. Trump who’s an outsider who doesn’t need paid off and therefore is a threat to their entire system of corruption.
    2. City vs. rural mindsets.
    3. The propagandized social justice warriors vs. reality, the reality being that most Americans don’t agree with their hatred of everything that isn’t specifically promoting their own selfish cause above all others.
    4. Protesters vs. the police state: I doubt it will go smoothly.
    5. Our corrupt media vs. the people: it could be a turning point for the media as they have to come to grips with their own massive failures and a way to move on or die.

    Whatever happens as the result of all those things converging at once, the dem primary was stolen from Sanders so Trump will be the president.  I think the 3rd-way cronies will never come to grips with that reality and continue to delude themselves into obscurity.

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    • Tierra y Libertad (1416 posts)
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      1. The left will be protesting a RW Oaf taking office.

      Just as it should be.

      As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. – H.L. Mencken

       

       

      But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants is the liberty of appearing. Thomas Paine

       
      • IdaBriggs (750 posts)
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        2. Well, that was going to be happening regardless of which candidate won —

        except “the left” would have been playing “let’s pretend” if the pant suited candidate won.

        Now they have to make sure they are relevant, and “walking in circles” shouting “this is what democracy looks like!” isn’t really…relevant.

        Now, boycotts and other “hit them in the pocket book and bad publicity to impact stock prices” – maybe that would work?

        :shrug:

        • Tierra y Libertad (1416 posts)
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          3. Resistance to a RW president should take any peaceful form.

           

          But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants is the liberty of appearing. Thomas Paine

           
          • IdaBriggs (750 posts)
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            5. Pointless resistance is just a party.

            And “resistance” to what – the fact a right wing president exists? – is kind of stupid.

            Now, protesting against right wing POLICIES makes sense, but I am saying that the “anti-war” left (Iraq War 2002) was completely pointless because we didn’t make the point that we were going to make the perpetrators pay a price for bad decisions we didn’t support – we yelled a lot, and there were a lot of us, but there was no MLK money shot – and yes, I was one of the millions who marched.

            Now I am saying that marching has to be done in such a way as to “cost money” for it to be effective – the Water Protectors are another perfect example, because their protest cost the company money while giving the people they were protesting AGAINST a public black eye.

            (These are my opinions, and I may be wrong. My Bernie sign is still up, because I want people to know who I support.)

            • jdpriestly (5549 posts)
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              12. My Bernie sign is still up too.

              And my garden here in California is coming alive what with all the rain we have had recently, so the Bernie sign just looks beautiful in the midst of my wonderful plants.  I especially love California poppies.  They are orange.

              No Truth!  No Trust!  Bernie or Bust!
      • TwilightSporkle (1774 posts)
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        30. No, they won't

        The left is making plans for the next four to eight years. It’s fauxgressive democrats who are kicking and screaming about someone not-their-party winning.. .even though there’s no useful difference for most Americans or the rest of the world between one corrupt rich racist fuck and another.

        What if I want to tell you to leave me and my beloved ones in peace

        But you only understand the language of the sword

        I let the blade do the talking

        So my tongue shall become iron

        And my words the mighty roar of war

        • Shlabotnik (521 posts)
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          32. 'zactly

          Fauxgressive democrats aren’t ‘the Left’. Unfortunately they still have paid-for influence with a complicit media. But the true ‘Left’ has the internet, social media, boots on the ground and zeal.

          ~ All Good things are Wild and Free ~
    • jdpriestly (5549 posts)
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      4. And I see a man who did not earn the most votes being inaugurated as our

      president, a man with a very bad temper, a disdain for successful, assertive women and an ego the size of Jupiter.

      Good luck, America.  We are going to need it.

       

      No Truth!  No Trust!  Bernie or Bust!
      • BillZBubb (2239 posts)
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        6. He won the most votes where it counted. THOSE WERE THE RULES.

        The Democrats have had every opportunity to try and change the EC, but they didn’t. Whining about it now reeks of sore-loser-ism.

        DemExit! Don't give the Democrats a dime. Don't identify as a Democrat. Drop Democratic identification below 20%. Only then will they support true progressive policy. Until then, corporate money rules.
        • Purveyor (2633 posts)
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          7. We in the flyover states will never allow a change in the EC. It is there

          for a specific purpose and it worked just fine.

          It wasn’t the EC that kept “Herself” from campaigning bigly in Michigan and Wisconsin…

        • jdpriestly (5549 posts)
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          11. Yes. Those were the rules, but he was over 2,800,000 votes short of having

          the most popular votes.  He is not a popular president.  He has a lot of support among the American people, but not quite as much as Hillary had.

          I did not vote for either of them.

          But facts are facts.  He has to win the trust and confidence of a lot of Americans.  He needs to be aware of that.  His appointments don’t show much of an awareness of his position.

          Do you agree that he has a bad temper?
          Do you agree that he is very arrogant and full of himself?

          Because I think he is.

          On the other hand, he does understand how to negotiate, an art that Obama never understood or maybe could not even appreciate.

          We live in very interesting time.

          For me as a woman, I’m wary of Trump.  He does not demonstrate real respect for women.  I’m not talking about Hillary.  I’m talking about the rest of us women.  He just doesn’t get it except with regard to his own daughters.  That could be a big problem for him.

          No Truth!  No Trust!  Bernie or Bust!
        • FanBoy (7985 posts)
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          21. and hillary had every opportunity, and plenty of bucks, to run a real

          campaign, but she didn’t.

          so either she was hiding out cause she thought she could win on rep or because trump was so bad; or she knew that the more she was in the public eye, the worse her numbers got; or she just didn’t want to win, for whatever reason.

          I chose 3

      • goodgirl (2185 posts)
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        8. Yeah and there was another one 16 years ago.

        Trump won the EC and was not selected by the SCOTUS.

        Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind.    John F. Kennedy
        • jdpriestly (5549 posts)
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          14. True. But both Trump and GW Bush faced or will face a country full of voters

          that don’t or didn’t like them.

          That’s the way elections like 2016 work.  The country is very divided.  I doubt that Trump will prioritize uniting us, and that could mean trouble for him down the road.

          No Truth!  No Trust!  Bernie or Bust!
          • goodgirl (2185 posts)
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            15. W never had the criticism that Trump has faced.

            And I don’t understand why.

            Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind.    John F. Kennedy
            • jdpriestly (5549 posts)
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              16. Trump is facing more criticism because people are bitter about W.

              W. was just really, really bad.  If it had not been for 9/11, he would not have been re-elected.

              Trump is, in my opinion, not as bad as W. (because at least Trump knows how to negotiate), but the voters are much more suspicious because of the bad experience with W.  I know I feel that way.  I don’t want to be fooled again, as W. so ineptly tried to say.  “Fool me once . . . .”  We were fooled once.  And we are afraid of having been fooled again.

              But some of Trump’s stances are OK in my opinion.

              He is, however as was W., a horrible person.  So who knows what will happen?

              No Truth!  No Trust!  Bernie or Bust!
              • goodgirl (2185 posts)
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                17. Funny how no one talked about what a horrible person he was before he ran for Pr

                He seemed quite popular and seemed to have many friends.

                Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind.    John F. Kennedy
                • The Crone (3001 posts)
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                  27. And it is also wise to notice that

                  his VP pick Pence is far more to the far right than Trump, but few in the media  focus on  slamming him. As Pence would not at all mind doing the work of those in the Elite, were he no longer answering to Mr Trump.

                  "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
                • jdpriestly (5549 posts)
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                  29. When I saw him stalking around behind Clinton in one of the debates, I really

                  came to distrust and dislike him.

                  No Truth!  No Trust!  Bernie or Bust!
                • Seshat (387 posts)
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                  31. Being from the NY area I never had a good opinion of the man.

                  I knew a lot about him–none of it  good.

              • The Crone (3001 posts)
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                26. I wish I could say that that is it, but it isn't.

                Hillary would have done many “W”-like things, but she would not have been criticized. For instance, the Trade Agreements would be left alone, and expanded under a President Hillary Clinton. This is  for one very important  piece of the puzzle.

                Those Trade Agreements are almost as important to the CIA, and  to the upper one half of one percent as are the endless wars and getting into it with Russia. Trump doesn’t want an expanded NATO. (At least no one has twisted his arm on this issue quite yet.) He doesn’t want deteriorating relations with Russia.

                Until he reverses himself on the Trade Agreement stance, and on the endless wars theme, he will be slammed by the press. He will continue to be labelled a boor, a Hitler and a racist and a sexist, even though he is not the one responsible for all the Middle East wars that have killed off hundreds of thousands of brown skinned people. Those war victims had as their only  sins their being in the way of the goals of conquest possessed by those in Saudi Arabia and Qatar who bought and paid for Hillary Clinton.

                "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
                • jdpriestly (5549 posts)
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                  28. I disagree. It was her pro-war and her pro-trade stances early on that lost

                  her the support of so many Democratic voters.

                  It was precisely Trump’s stands that were perceived as anti-trade and anti-war that won him some cross-over votes, enough to mean that he won the electoral college.

                  It’s his personality that scares most of us who don’t like him.  He is boorish and self-centered beyond belief.  He has a very egocentric personality.  He cannot admit to being wrong or making a mistake.

                  And because of his personality I don’t trust his anti-war pretensions.

                  He is already talking about a trade agreement with the United Kingdom.

                  The one thing I like about him in addition to his anti-trade and anti-war stances (however meaningless), is that he is a strong negotiator.  Obama is a much more humble, good-natured person but a lousy negotiator.

                  No Truth!  No Trust!  Bernie or Bust!
                  • The Crone (3001 posts)
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                    36. He has already admitted to being wrong.

                    Met with Megyn Kelly and apologized. Of course, better to have the “boorish, self centered” meme out there so all the people like some of my 65 yr old girlfriends will cower under their beds, waiting for Trump to nuke France or come to Lake County and grab their lady parts. As long as that meme continues to gain strength, it makes it possible for the Old Guard to resurrect itself in 2020. Then the Old Guard will bring us the Old Guard corrupted candidates of the “D” Party, using the resurrected meme of “Lesser Than Two Evils” once again.

                    While the Old Guard somewhat allows us to applaud  Robert Reich when he talks bad about the Trade Agreements,  shouldn’t we also notice Trump’s statements about Trade Agreements, which happen to appear to be the clones of Reich’s statements?

                    We just witnessed an extremely popular President sign off on Legislation that DESTROYS the first amendment. At this point in the life of an oligarchy, I would rather have someone in power who is not so likeable, so when they friggin’ tear up the Constitution, just maybe the Mainstream Media will take notice.

                    "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
            • Spanishprof27 (218 posts)
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              19. Because W was part of the establishment?

              • FanBoy (7985 posts)
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                22. because the bushes, clintons, and obama are all on the same team?

      • peacecorps (3013 posts)
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        10. He received fewer votes but he was lucky and luck plays a large part in life.

        He was born a millionaire; got to introduce himself to most people as a tough, successful businessman/host of a reality TV show; received several billion dollars in free media during the republican primary; then won an election in the electoral college after getting trounced in the popular vote.

        FDR stood for high/progressive taxes, tight regulation of corporations, effective legislation to support strong unions, a strong safety net, fiscal policy that supports full employment rather than austerity, engagement with the rest of the world in terms of trade and diplomacy and the Four Freedoms. Bernie supports the same issues plus an understanding of the danger posed by climate change. Count me as an FDR/Bernie liberal.
        • FanBoy (7985 posts)
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          23. luck had little to do with it, esp the free media.

      • TwilightSporkle (1774 posts)
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        33. And I see a poster who wouldn't complain if the results had been reversed.

        What if I want to tell you to leave me and my beloved ones in peace

        But you only understand the language of the sword

        I let the blade do the talking

        So my tongue shall become iron

        And my words the mighty roar of war

        • jdpriestly (5549 posts)
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          34. Actually, I'd be complaining but about Hillary winning.

          I did not like either of them.  I voted for Jill Stein.  I’ve said that hundreds of time here.

          No Truth!  No Trust!  Bernie or Bust!
    • Betty Karlson (3304 posts)
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      9. well said. eom

      "Someone hacks the DNC allowing all of America to see how the DNC operates as one of the most corrupt political machines in national history. Ergo, Hillary Clinton should be installed as President by judicial fiat. And if you do not agree to this scheme you deserve to be brought up on charges of treason because fascism." - NUGrrl, december 2016 “Once a person has been determined to be an UNTRUSTWORTHY LIAR, their pretend stances on important issues are simply not relevant to rational discussion.” – Ida Briggs, September 2016
    • SurrealAmerican (620 posts)
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      13. I expect not a bang, but a whimper.

      We’ll probably see a very dull ceremony, and some orderly protests, and no real message from either.

      • FugitiveBirdie (1461 posts)
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        18. Interestingly…

        … I think we will see all the protests on TV for the first time.

        Usually the MSM hides that kind of thing.

        • bernintheusa (1252 posts)
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          20. Oh, for certain we will see the protests and the MSM will revel in them.

          Fox News has been my choice for tv news  lately, and will be my choice on Inauguration Day.

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        • FanBoy (7985 posts)
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          24. why do you think so?

    • The Crone (3001 posts)
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      25. In your point three, I very much agree.

      Civil rights were supposed to make us equal, and instead it has allowed mini-Mafias of special groups whose needs come before anyone elses. It has created a tyranny for many of us.

      When I go back to my old neighborhood in San Rafael in the Bay Area and hear people stating that  they have to work two jobs expressly for the purpose of having private school tuition monies, as teachers don’t have to speak English fluently, and gangs have been allowed to control the local HS hallways, I feel so sad.  The same school district where my son attended classes, had friends from every different locale on the globe, and went on from there to a prestigious university  has become some type of prisoner of the Special Interests who tell us Americans we have to learn Spanish  or else we are not nice people.

      The political pendulum problem in the USA is too accepted. First things go all one way, and then everyone is shocked when people try and push the pendulum back. And as a result, things usually go way too far the other way. But if our politicians looked to moderation in most things, we would have a much more stable society.

      "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
    • Carolab (1103 posts)
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      35. What I see and what Jeremy Scahil confirmed today on Democracy Now is this:

      The Christian right-wing billionaire class has taken over the White House.

      The Prince and DeVos families have bought the thing.

      • jdpriestly (5549 posts)
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        37. Right.

        No Truth!  No Trust!  Bernie or Bust!