Here's what I want authorities to focus on re- the Epstein case:

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  • #116253

    snot
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    Here’s what I want authorities to focus on re- the Epstein case:

    I want to know not just who his accomplices were, but perhaps even more urgently, who the customers were (I’m not sure what to call them, but I’m trying to differentiate them from people who were involved in Epstein’s operation on an ongoing basis), and who received the dirt on those clients.

    I want to know just how much of the screwing up of the public good during the last several decades happened because pedophiles in positions of power within the U.S. and its allies were being blackmailed. I want Epstein’s customers to tell us exactly which things they did in order to satisfy the blackmailers’ demands. I’d be willing to give them a degree of leniency in exchange for truthful answers. And I want the people who got and used the dirt prosecuted, too, and for them to make restitution as far as possible not only to the children violated but also for the screwing up of the public good accomplished or facilitated through their blackmail.

    E.g., if Clinton was a customer – I’m not saying he was, but just to walk through the type of questions I want answered – did blackmail have anything to do with his role in the repeal of Glass-Steagall, or the decision to exempt credit derivatives from regulation, or the Telecom Act of 1996?  And exactly who demanded that he facilitate those measures?

    We may never know or see most of that. But above all, I hope we learn who Epstein’s customers were; because some of those people may still be in power, and still be being blackmailed.

    Destruction is easy; creation is hard, but more interesting.

  • #116313

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    I don’t think Clinton needed to be compromised to bring down Glass-Steagall.  Desire for power & money was enough.  His whole career demonstrates it.  He didn’t start out as a champion of the people who later went wrong; he was a careerist from a corrupt city in a corrupt state from day one.

    But I think your questions re epstein are good ones.

    • #116320

      ArtfromArk
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      Wait, what? Clinton was born in the small town of Hope, Arkansas, and moved to Hot Springs as a teenager. He went to universities outside the state, then moved to the college town of Fayetteville, Arkansas where he taught law and launched his political career as a candidate for US Congress from the 3rd District. He lost that election, then moved to Little Rock after winning election for state attorney-general in 1976. He then won the election for governor in 1978, and gained a reputation as a liberal. And Arkansas did not rank particularly high on the corruption scale, certainly not in those days.

      • #116553

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        Clinton is a case of life imitating art, in his case, the character Willie Stark in the movie ‘All the King’s Men’.  Willie learned that you have to be a corrupt demagogue to win, and Bill learned that with his Congressional loss.

        • #120237

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          Clinton wasn’t a demagogue in Arkansas– and I’m saying that as someone who was deeply involved in Arkansas politics in the 1970s and 1980s, and later, when Bill was President (his early years). He actually tried to be a liberal governor in the early days, and in his very early days as President. I, like a lot of my teachers/professors in those days, put a lot of the blame on Hillary.

           

      • #116920

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        I judged arkansas’ criminality by its present, but I read a story back in the day about criminality in some arkansas city clinton spent a lot of time in (may not have been hope, but in that area).  It made a big impression on me (so big i can’t remember the details, lol).

        Remembered after I looked at a map:  Hot Springs was the city, where the family moved to after his mother married Clinton.  Quick look on Wikipedia says indeed, Hot Springs had a criminal history associated with being a “national gambling mecca” and control by a political machine.

        Clinton moved there when he was 4 and graduated from Hot Springs HS.  Would have been in the class of ’63 or ’64.  So he spent the majority of his youth there.  Gambling was still a big industry there until shut down in 1967:

        “Gambling was finally closed down permanently in 1967 by two Republican officeholders, Governor Winthrop Rockefeller and Circuit Judge Henry M. Britt. Rockefeller sent in a company of state troopers to shutter the casinos and burn their gaming equipment. Until other forms of gambling became legal in Arkansas four decades later…a thoroughbred horse racing track south of downtown, was the only legal gambling establishment in Hot Springs and one of only two in the state of Arkansas…”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Springs,_Arkansas

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton

         

        I will see when I get my work finished if I can find the article I remember or something similar.

        I don’t believe it was a right-wing hit piece.

         

         

        • #120240

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          Interesting. The lieutenant governor during the Rockefeller days was Maurice “Footsie” Britt.

          • #120497

            Cold Mountain Trail
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            Maurice “Footsie” Britt.

            significance….?

            @artfromark

            • #125194

              ArtfromArk
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              Footsie Britt and Circuit Judge Henry M. Britt (mentioned in the article) were cousins.

              • #126260

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                Thanks for the reply.  I didn’t realize you’d replied til this article came on the front page again, I didn’t get the “art mentioned you” notice, sorry.

                Now I have to reread the article again in light of your response!

      • #117171

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        @artfromark

        This may or may not have been the article I remember, but it was something like it.  What I remembered was organized crime connections.  This one’s from Sam Smith:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Review

        1950s:

        When Bill Clinton is 7, his family moves from Hope, Arkansas, to the long-time mob resort of Hot Springs, AR. Here Al Capone is said to have had permanent rights to suite 443 of the Arlington Hotel. Clinton’s stepfather is a gun-brandishing, alcoholic who loses his Buick franchise through mismanagement and his own pilfering. He physically abuses his family, including the young Bill. His mother is a heavy gambler with mob ties. According to FBI and local police officials, his Uncle Raymond — to whom young Bill turns for wisdom and support — is a colorful car dealer, slot machine owner and gambling operator, who thrives on the fault line of criminality (except when his house is firebombed). Uncle Raymond’s gambling operations are franchised by the Marcello organization of New Orleans.

        http://ontology.buffalo.edu/smith/clinton/arkansas.htm

         

        Smith is someone I remember reading back in the Clinton era, but Evans-Pritchard is not an honest broker imo & he’s one of the references sourced.

        Photo from 1983: Clinton became 1st-term governor January of that year.  Bush was at the time Reagan’s VP.

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        • #120241

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          Of course, Al Capone was long gone before Bill moved to Hot Springs. And Bill left the city after he graduated from high school.

          • #120498

            Cold Mountain Trail
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            Understood.  Point is, that’s where Bill grew up, not Hope.  And family members had ties to organized crime, including the family member who allegedly loaned him money to get started in his political career.

            • #125198

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              Bill might have had some family members with shady histories, but that does not necessarily mean he was a shady character– at least not in the beginning. I remember when he ran for Representative from Arkansas’ 3rd District, in 1974. He ran on a relatively liberal platform, and his opponent was an established Republican, John Paul Hammerschmidt. Hammerschmidt barely beat Clinton, in a contested election that was decided by the city of Fort Smith, where it was alleged that there was a lot of hanky-panky going on that gave the election to Hammerschmidt.

               

        • #120242

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          I don’t know how much stock to put in that photo since HW Bush was President at that time, and Bill was the youngest governor in the country.

          • #126261

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            Bush was VP, photo from ’83.  Reagan’s first term.

            But why was Wallace there?

  • #116490

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    We will NEVER know who the customers were/are.

    That’s why they murdered Epstein.

    Everything can now be buried.

    The confiscated things from Epstein’s houses will never be seen. The FBI will bury it all.

    The girls (now women) who were abused/trafficked, will be silenced one way or another…paid a LOT of money or also murdered.

    Trump, Clinton, Dershowitz, Richardson, Prince Andrew and every other mega wealthy pedophile will be protected at all costs no matter what it takes and that includes murder. Remember, cars can now be hacked and controlled by the CIA. Anyone can have a car accident and will.

    The CIA has dirt on EVERYONE. Remember when they were caught hacking Senate computers? Yeah…they have dirt on every single member of Congress and every government official. Guaranteed. Snowden also showed us just how invasive data mining has been. There are no secrets and plenty of blackmail material on everyone.

     

    • #116562

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      ^^^^ THIS ^^^^

      The Powers behind the Powers that Be, are currently using big front end loaders to bury the evidence and anyone that won’t stay quiet.

      We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.

      If you are wrong, it will be because you are not cynical enough.

      Both major political parties are special interest groups enabling each other for power and money, at the expense of the people they no longer properly serve…

      • #116681

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        Whoever has the trove of information can use it to control. Would like to know exactly where this information is.

        Animals know more than we do.

        • #118274

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          Exactly. I want to know who has the dirt and who it’s on.

          Destruction is easy; creation is hard, but more interesting.

      • #117029

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        the NKVD’s Yezhov learned the innovation of keeping files on politicians as well as criminals from Hoover; the CIA’s always getting the flack, but it’s the FBI that’s always been the domestic police …

        https://berniesanders.com/ https://www.tulsi2020.com/

  • #116679

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    The first thing I’d like to see is the security camera footage from Epstein’s cellblock at the time he died. Did someone go into his cell or not? Does the film footage exist or does it not? The answers to those questions are critical to explaining, or at least making an informed guess about, what actually happened.

    We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

    With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

    • #118277

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      Personally, I don’t care all that much what happened to Epstein. What I care about is, as said, who has the dirt he acquired, and who is it on; because odds are, some of those “customers” are still in power.

      They may or may not be associated with a murder of Epstein; either way, if they’re in power and they can be blackmailed, certain screwings of the public good will continue.

      Destruction is easy; creation is hard, but more interesting.

  • #116760

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    If there is no video of the cell due to a malfunctioning camera, can’t we at least get some still photos? I want to see the height of the bunk, and what Epstein was able to attach the sheet to.  And some info on the sheets, and assuming they were fabric, why did he have them?

    Not going to get any of the above, most likely, but not releasing it seems suspicious.

    • #116779

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      @emme There were no cameras in the cells themselves, but there were in the hallways.

      We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

      With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

      • #116917

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        @Ohio Barbarian, sorry I wasn’t clear on that. Meant  a photo of his cell or one like it, taken with a hand held camera and released to the public.  My guess is seeing such a photo would raise more questions than it would answer.  Doesn’t stop me from wanting it. Yeah I know…if wishes were horses…

  • #116777

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    Here is his black book:

     

    Be the Change

  • #116833

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    For emphasis: I really don’t care whether Epstein was murdered.  I care about getting a government that’s not controlled by blackmail or bribes.  The more we focus on and demand that, the sooner we’ll be able to make progress on everything else.

    Destruction is easy; creation is hard, but more interesting.

  • #116915

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    he was commonly acknowledged to film his friends having sex with children, encouraging relationships to have blackmail opportunities. There are disks found in his safe at his house that have names. They found the tapes. They will all fall. Epstein gets the last laugh.

    Until all are one.

    • #116934

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      I sincerely admire your optimism!  In this case, I believe the trove has so many people ensnared in it that there will be very few with the power to “cast the first stone”.    A reason I think that Epstein might have been working for the Mossad is that the CIA surely would have known how many disparate people this would catch; I think maybe this was only supposed to sink Trump, but Bubba looks worse, and there are so many other rich and famous and powerful involved that nothing will happen but hush money and non-disclosures.  Starting to think that Ms. Maxwell cut a deal, else why be out eating cheeseburgers in public.

      I will not vote for a Vichy Dem. Period. As always, I decide who is a Vichy Dem.

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  • #117038

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    Why is the NSA so quiet on all the things they are supposed to know – why do they have city blocks of info piled up and they can’t say 100% that: Russia hacked the elections; that Hillary’s server was recovered; that Gislaine’s daddy Maxwell wasn’t murdered; etc. etc.

    What a fucking waste of money and everyone’s (well, 99.9% of everyone’s) freedom.

    I can’t understand why there isn’t the same outrage to the NSA as there is to ICE. Well, ok, I can, but it makes me tired, so I’m going to make a drink now. wah.

  • #117106

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    [self-delete – duplicate]

    Destruction is easy; creation is hard, but more interesting.

  • #118553

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    The R rated and occasionally hard to take TV show Happy! seems pretty prescient now, doesn’t it? It’s also pretty indescribable in just a few words.

    https://www.tulsi2020.com/

    • #125839

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      Wow.  Is the show actually good?

      Destruction is easy; creation is hard, but more interesting.

      • #125917

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        I really liked it, especially the first season. The star of the show really sold the wild premise. I once described him as being  like the videogame character Max Payne, if Max in addition to abusing booze and pain killers, was also doing lots of mushrooms.

        If you like the TV show Preacher, and can handle its violence and insanity, then maybe this too is a show you can appreciate.

        https://www.tulsi2020.com/

        • #127391

          snot
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          Thanks for the description!  I’m afraid I’d love some aspects, but it sounds a little too exciting for me.  ;)

          Destruction is easy; creation is hard, but more interesting.

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