Historians are ‘Weeping’: The reason Russia was in Afghanistan was because terrorists were going into Russia. They were right to be there.
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Trump Stuns With Foreign Policy Comments at Cabinet Meeting: Historians are ‘Weeping’
Of course, Donald sees the threat of terrorists everywhere. Perhaps the USSR needed a Great Wall on the Afghanistan border.
Does he not know history or just prefers to make up a more convenient ‘alternative history’?
When you think you have no choice but to start a war, think again. Wars promise to be quick, clean and decisive. Wars lie. They cause more problems than they solve, they just won't tell you that beforehand.
"If we are to have peace on earth, ... our loyalties must transcend our race, our tribe, our class, and our nation; and this means we must develop a world perspective."
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January 2, 2019 at 8:48 PM #7805
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
OBL’s bagman made tours of US cities with Reagan’s other freedom fighters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_Yusuf_Azzam
though there were plans as early as the Ford years to force a Soviet blunder there, the execution of Amin was an unforced error in the long run: Brezhnev’s main concern was that the autonomous Marxist-Leninist parties jostling around didn’t switch to Beijing’s side–they even have a border
and then one fresh September morning Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia produced some high-speed urban renewal–of course America’s strong enough to survive a dozen mistakes as big as the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, but that might be more a matter of accumulated resources than inherent resilience …
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January 2, 2019 at 9:00 PM #7809
It turns out not to matter if their invasion was justified or not. It was a stupid thing to do – it could never have ended well.
We made exactly the same error – many times over, too.
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January 2, 2019 at 10:08 PM #7828
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Same reason Stalin simply had to plant countless ethnic Russians in Crimea while deporting most of the indigenous Tatars to Siberia. I’m sure it was because, ummmm, Tatar terrorism made him do it!
And that nice vote in 2014, when all the (Stalin-planted, Putin-backed) ethnic Russians voted that Crimea should become part of Mother Russia? Just an innocent windfall we should cheer for.
(And it’s not like today’s Crimean Tatars are complaining. How could they – with their activists mostly in prison, and the rest fleeing to Ukraine to escape Putin’s persecution, a vast silence is all we hear from them. Molchaniya znachit soglasiye. Silence indicates consent.)
Russia – darling of progressives – is not the least bit a colonizing power, ya hear me??? They are nothing like the US. Their invasions are always virtuous invasions; their bombing of Syrian cities is a heroic kind of bombing; their land grabs are righteous land grabs from Bad People; their media censorship only makes their media more trustworthy; their prisons are famously gentler than American prisons; and their arms sales are vastly purer than American arms sales.
I’m sure all Afghans will agree.
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January 2, 2019 at 11:21 PM #7844
Yes, Stalin did deport most of the Crimean Tatars to Siberia. He did transplant ethnic Russians into Crimea. What he did not do was to deport ethnic Ukrainians out of Crimea. It was impossible. There were hardly any of them there in the first place.
Crimea has never, historically, been considered Ukrainian in any way, shape, or form. Nikita Khrushchev, a Ukrainian himself, transferred Crimea from the Russian to the Ukrainian SSR back in the 1950s, probably as a sop to his homeland, but also as an efficient administrative move. At the time of Putin’s annexation, maybe 10% of the population of Crimea was ethnically Ukrainian. That’s a fact.
The Crimean Russians didn’t want to be part of a Ukraine governed by a bunch of ethnic Ukrainian nationalists. Neither did the remaining Crimean Tatars, who are not in prison these days. Those are also facts.
Furthermore, Russia is most definitely not the darling of progressives. If you were really progressive, you would know that. Russia is an oligarchy, much like the United States. We don’t like oligarchies, for they are not in the habit of providing economic, social, political, or any other type of justice. We’re not a big fan of empires, either, and Russia certainly has its imperialistic tendencies.
None of that means we have to hate the Russian people or to engage in wars with Russia over things like Crimea or Syria. In cold, hard, imperial realpolitik the fate of neither of those countries matters to vital American national interests. Neither does Israel’s, for that matter.
Your talking points come right out of the MIC, neolib/neocon playbook. And, BTW, Russian prisons actually are better than American ones. They hold a lot fewer people than ours do, and immigrant children are not dying in Russian concentration camps. Stones and glass houses come to mind.
Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov
The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere
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January 5, 2019 at 12:49 PM #8803
Sad that it is necessary.
If you give a man enough rope, it will be six inches too short. This is not the nature of rope- it is the nature of man.
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January 2, 2019 at 10:34 PM #7837
Not wanting to be invaded by foreigners. If somebody invades your country, you defend it.
We didn’t belong there any more than Russia did. Why are we still there? The Brits failed twice, the Russians failed and we Americans failed. You can’t conquer it.
Why should we? Afghanistan has got the bad fortune between being in the East and the West. It’s a bad route to travel through, isn’t it?
Hell, no... I'm not giving up...
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January 3, 2019 at 1:29 AM #7860
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January 2, 2019 at 10:59 PM #7843
Nothing he says has anything to do with reality. Zbigniew Brzezinski and the CIA did everything they could to incite opposition to the Soviet client government in Kabul in order to provoke a Russian invasion so that they, too, could enjoy the experience of a Vietnam.
Besides, Mika’s daddy was Polish, and had a visceral hatred for the Russians. And Brezhnev fell for it.
Trump knows nothing of any of that. He’s an imbecile.
Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov
The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere
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January 4, 2019 at 8:59 AM #8370
http://englishrussia.com/2009/02/24/russians-left-afghanistan/
“Hope is the feathered thing that perches in your heart.” ~ Emily Dickinson
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January 4, 2019 at 11:50 AM #8416
But the tactic was definitely employed by the insurgency in Afghanistan against the USSR, especially after the CIA got involved, which was six months before the Soviet invasion, according to Zbigniew Brzezinski, one of the prime architects of Operation Cyclone.
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January 5, 2019 at 5:19 PM #8864
<p>By now everyone, even including his most ardent supporters, must know he is a stupid imbecilic louse of a human being. He enjoys being ignorant, just like his base and just like them gives zero sh*ts if he looks and acts like a mentally impaired person. Which is part of the problem. </p>
<p>Trump is as dumb as a stump. </p>Forcing people to work without pay is akin to slavery.
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January 5, 2019 at 5:33 PM #8867
<p>I suspect both intelligence services were in the mix earlier as well.</p>
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January 6, 2019 at 8:41 AM #9012
i.e. terrorists, some of which morphed into Al-Qaeda. Those ‘rebels’ were funded by Zbigniew Brzezinski and the US government. A similar situation has occurred in Syria with John McCain carrying out the same role as Brzezinski in that country. Thus, the word “invasion” is not accurate. Most western sources ignore this fact. There are other sources available for more detailed info on what really happened. The communists had banned religion and the ‘rebels’, of course, were highly religious to the point of being fanatical.
https://www.ukessays.com/essays/history/the-afghanistan-war-with-the-soviet-union-history-essay.php
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January 6, 2019 at 8:47 AM #9014
regarding the violent Ukrainian coup in 2014.
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