How to watch Trump’s second impeachment trial.

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    • #402019
      gordyfl
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      Date: Trial begins on Tuesday, February 9, 2021.
      Time: 1 p.m. ET.

      From CBS News:
      Mr. Trump told his supporters at a rally to “fight like hell” as members of Congress prepared to count the Electoral College votes. A mob of his angry backers then stormed the U.S. Capitol, sending lawmakers into hiding and delaying the electoral count for nearly six hours.

      Link:

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/how-to-watch-trumps-second-impeachment-trial/ar-BB1dvBAx

      From NBC…
      Trump “willfully made statements that, in context, encouraged — and foreseeably resulted in — lawless action at the Capitol, such as: ‘if you don’t fight like hell you’re not going to have a country anymore,'” the impeachment article says.

      https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-senate-impeachment-trial-ii-everything-you-need-know-n1256905

      Everyone uses the term “Fight like hell.”

      Chuck Schumer: “In the Senate Democrats are going to fight like hell to make this a reality. Americans who took to the streets this week have demanded change. With this legislation Democrats are heeding their calls.”

      Josh Shapiro, Democrat (PA): “I want the people of Pennsylvania, and the people all across this country to know that we are going to fight like hell protect your vote, and to make sure your vote is counted.”

      “I am confident that we are going to fight like hell to make sure they can (vote).”

      Tom Perez (DNC): “We are going to fight like hell to make sure that everyone who wants to vote can excercise that right to vote.”

      Chuck Schumer: “I want to tell you Gorsuch. I want to tell you Kavanaugh, you have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions.”

      Maxine Waters: “If you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, in a gas station, you get out and you create a crowd, and you push back on them, and you tell them they are not welcome.”

      Videos of above quotes from Youtube link below (Kim Iverson)…

      Kim Iverson: “During the course of the last four years there has been much more violent rhetoric coming from both sides of the aisle.”….

      YouTube…

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=8gm7di8c6CM

       

    • #402029
      NV Wino
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      but it should be interesting entertainment.

      “As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.” Barbara Lee
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      • #402033
        gordyfl
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        I’m curious. So, I’ll tune in if I get home in time. Yes, I expect it to be a bit entertaining, but from what I see, the outcome has been predetermined.

      • #402130
        JonLP
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        Trump clearly incited the crowd first spreading lies about the election results. Then there was the promotion of the January 6th rally from Trump himself. He and the speakers clearly incited the crowd. This was all done in plain sight.

        The best argument against it is dismissing it based on jurisdiction. The House impeachment was done while Trump was President. The Senate trial is occurring while Trump is a private citizen. I didn’t know that was possible but one thing Trump has given us a civics course. Emoluments clause was one of the first lessons of the Trump administration.

        All that said I don’t think we are constitutional scholars though I will say Jim Lane’s legal literacy is higher than most.

         

        Edit: I replied in the wrong spot.

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    • #402034
      jbnw
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      It’ll be a waste of time. Yours, mine, and the country’s.

    • #402037
      Yanath
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      The “context” is clearly political activism.

    • #402039
      Pam2
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      I’m sure there will be plenty of grandstanding speeches. No thanks.

       

    • #402042
      Ohio Barbarian
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      I probably won’t even watch any commentary about it. If they want to prevent Trump from holding federal office again, they can easily do that under the 14th Amendment by a simple majority vote that Trump incited an insurrection. I don’t even believe that, but if barring Trump from running for President again is the Democrats’ goal, that’s all they have to do.

      Since they’re not even considering that in favor of an impeachment trial after a President has left office, that is guaranteed to result in an acquittal, it’s just distractive bullshit away from things like food lines and people standing up in courtrooms against eviction proceedings.

      And where’s my 2K, anyway?

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      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #402045
      MackMarkstein
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      And even with Watergate, c’mon man! Lots of spooks with agendas to get Nixon out. Not sure why but he did seem set up. But we (the hippies, etc.) wanted him out too.
      With Im-orangement II: We can hope there is a discovery process that reveals something, anything truthful at all, about how the Capitol breach was planned and, on the other end of things, allowed to happen. Weak security. Is the former Sgt. of Arms of the Senate or House still in hiding? I forgot which one could not be found at either his DC or Nevada properties, when sought by probably the MSM.

    • #402050
      salemcourt
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      In the future, even if the republicans openly stuff the ballot box in some locations using armed wingnuts, then any questioning of the results of the election will be punished by impeachment and/or imprisonment.

    • #402060
      GZeusH
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      So you can change the channel when someone starts yammering about it.

      Corporate America consists of totalitarian entities laser-focused on short-term greed.

    • #402068
      Mr. Mickeys Mom
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    • #402074
      HassleCat
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      but the whole thing is based on a circumstantial case. Sure, we know he wanted a riot, but there’s no way to prove that. Not unless we accept the samekind of “proof” used against the Weathermen and Black Panthers. Anyway, it will be a lot of posturing and fake indignation, and we see that every day.

    • #402076
      MizzGrizz
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      It’s not even enough of a cliff hanger to justify a look in.

      The votes aren’t there from in front to convict him.

    • #402125
      Jan Boehmerman
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      The A-hole is gone…….

      If you’re familiar with the history of the 3rd Reich, they tried to silence Hitler. It just made him more popular with his base.

    • #402128
      Earthartist
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      I would watch if we impeached the presidents from Regun on. They all lied us into military conflicts they stole our taxes to do so. They have all taken bribes from the oligarchs whom they now all work for. In all of this they have slaughtered millions around the world, tortured, used rendition, chemical weapons, and lies soo many lies. They have now killed close to 500,000 Americans and considering the suicides, deaths from freezing to death, death by cop, I would guess the number is much higher!

      Earthartist

    • #402129
      retired liberal
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      You have to stop filling it faster than the drain can drain. Currently the drain is all but plugged by the sludge at the bottom.
      Trump needs to be convicted, first by Congress, then in the various law suits for his criminal activities. Probably won’t happen though, but it needs to, as a start to clean out our government of the criminals that infest it.

      We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
      If you are wrong, it will be because you are not cynical enough.
      Both major political parties are special interest groups enabling each other for power and money, at the expense of the people they no longer properly serve…
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    • #402210
      whispers
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      And listen to all those a$$holes?  No way!!

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      Babel 17
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    • #402221
      gordyfl
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      The Democrats posted a video of the Capitol riot mixed in with parts of Trump’s speech. It seemed effective.

      The Trump Defence Team also played a video.

      Here was their video…YouTube…

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=9qnJY1K9BFc

       

    • #402242
      3fingerbrown
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      I think I’ll watch Hello Larry reruns instead.

      All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

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