How will China react to widespread protests over its zero-COVID policy?

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    • #498602
      soryang
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      I’ve been watching several news feeds about the demonstrations against covid restrictions in China, and this one from CNA (Singapore) with an English speaking analyst from Taipei (a westerner) seems to be more balanced. Other reporting from the west seems overcome with the “down with Xi” narrative. The Urumqi fire incident is conflated with general frustration over the lockdown.

      惑世誣民 혹세무민

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      soryang
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      惑世誣民 혹세무민

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        djean111
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        Makes a lot more sense.  The comments are good, too.

        America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

        "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" Baelish

        VFTBNMW is, IMO, literally "take the blue pill".

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        Yanath
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      djean111
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      and then the Chinese will ask the US to establish military bases in China, accept China into NATO, have China aim nukes at Russia, and replace the yuan with the dollar, and run the country.

      A few thousand people in Shanghai.  Foreign involvement is suspected.  From the Barret video.

      Many years ago, I literally saw CNN inflate less than ten people carrying signs about joining the EU in Copenhagen into a “big demonstration” – walked past the scene after dinner in Copenhagen, saw many more news people with vans and lights and microphones than there were people carrying signs, turned on CNN International back in the hotel room, and saw how those 10 people were filmed in a way to make them seem like a large crowd.  My rule of thumb for reportage on demonstrations by the US – depending on what the US is trying to do to a country, ten people are a huge demonstration, a million people are an easily dispersed crowd.  As someone in the comments of the Barrett video said, perhaps closing US embassies in order to forestall color revolutions would be a great thing to do.  I also now assume that any demonstration in the world has either been fomented by the US, or is being lied about by the US.  Seems a more rational way to start, at least.  Cui bono is the phrase that applies here.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" Baelish

      VFTBNMW is, IMO, literally "take the blue pill".

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      Ohio Barbarian
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      First, it can’t work. You can’t socially distance, lockdown, mask or vax your way out of people catching the common cold. Covid is a coronavirus, same as common cold viruses, and spreads just like them. If you need proof of this, just look at China.

      Second, because they are Chinese, the government has backed itself into a corner. They’re bound to know what I just said is true, but if they change policy they risk losing face, and oh, how the Chinese hate that!

      I think it’s silly of them, but I’m a Western barbarian. Sometimes, though, the Western barbarian is right and the Chinese government is wrong. This is one of those times. This face-saving business, whether it’s Chinese or some corrupt Western PM or president, is both dishonest and stupid, IMO. Notice there’s no H.

      Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

      The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

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        djean111
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        some local governments are hesitating, and some people are happy, others are suspicious.  As an aside, it does look like the government was sending bins of food to people.

        America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

        "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" Baelish

        VFTBNMW is, IMO, literally "take the blue pill".

        • #498666
          Ohio Barbarian
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          That sounds about right. Quietly and slowly change the policy and try to look smart and responsible while doing so. Very Chinese. It often works, though.

          Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

          The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

    • #498648
      Yanath
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      Don’t judge the Chinese too harshly. They may just be preparing for the day the empire decides to release ethnicly targeted pathogens against them. We already know the psychopathic neocon empire managers are doing that type of research.

    • #498649
      Scott Crowder
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      Protest they’re antivaxxers or conspiracy theorists, but Dems support Chinese protestors.

      Got it.

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