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  • KauaiK (3530 posts)
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    I attended Tulsi Gabbard's Town Hall on Kauai last night

    It was like being in a room jam-packed with JackPine Radicals :bounce:   Standing room only.  The room erupted in wild cheers at the mere mention of Bernie’s name (not to mention sun-faded Bernie stickers on cars in the parking lot).   Based on the questions asked, it confirmed for me that progressives are much MUCH more informed and intelligent than the counterparts on the right.

    Both Hawaii US Senators, State legislators, County Council, and others were there – I believe to see which way the wind was blowing – not as a matter of courtsey.  I thought why they were not holding their own town hall meetings.  Cowards.

    Tulsi made some opening remarks mostly about North Korea [I’m paraphrasing]; that Trump’s chicken match with Kim is very dangerous; that she thinks Kim has or will soon have ICBMs that can reach Hawaii; that most Congressional members know nothing about Pacific Rim countries; that Trump said during his campaign that North Korea didn’t have nukes and wouldn’t have them if he was elected (which she thought was jaw-droppingly ignorant then castigated the Media for not calling Trump on the lie).

    Questions [I’m omitting local issues]:

    = First question right outta the gates from a gentleman whose first vote was for Truman (I thought I was old!): “Who controls the moral compass of the Democratic party”; the corporate control over the party; and it’s not the Democratic Party he joined in 1948.  [big cheers!] Tulsi’s gave a sort of non-answer but pointed out that she was in Bernie’s camp in 2016.

    = Healthcare:  Tulsi has introduced a bill in the House to mirror Bernie’s Senate bill for Medicare for all.  She emphasized that the bill was about access to Healthcare; not access to Insurance.  The bill includes removal of barriers to negotiate drug prices and import less expensive drugs.  [big cheers]

    = Legalizing Marijuana:  She quoted FBI stats that opiate deaths (not use) decrease by 30% in states with legalized weed; that every 42 seconds someone in the US is arrested for weed; that weed needs to be decriminalized but acknowledged the conflict between Federal and State laws and the current Administration’s intent to prosecute.  She supports legalization.   She also pointed out there is always money in budgets for new or expanded prisons but not for critical issues like heathcare, education, etc.

    = Impeachment of Trump:   [big cheers].  Quoting my favorite Sesame Street phrase – “what happens next?”  she said she believes (and I agree) that Pence is worse than Trump.  [I think "be careful what you wish for" - Trump is a bombastic baffoon, but Pence (coupled with Sessions) is substantially more sinister].

    = Her trip to Syria / meeting w/ Assad:  She related that she also met with Syrian citizens who are being bombed not only by Assad but Russia, Turkey, Israel and the US.   The Syrians just was the war to stop.  She said the US policy  of “illegal” regime change” is counterproductive and doesn’t work.

    = Right to Work Laws:  She does not support right-to-work laws and defended unions.

    = Trumps astounding conflicts of interest especially with foreign nations and refusal to disclose:  She acknowledged that all  members of Congress are required to file a disclosure forms and Trump should not be exempt.  She tacitly implied that both side of the asile believe Trump needs to disclose (although not publicly).

    She repeatedly pointed out that with every issue there is an opportunity which we as progressives need to find.  I agree.

     

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    • Land of Enchantment (7110 posts)
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      1. Wowsers, K!!!!!!!!

      Thanks for the great review of Tulsi’s Town Hall!!!!! Kicked and rec’d!

      “She also pointed out there is always money in budgets for new or expanded prisons but not for critical issues like heathcare, education, etc.”

           "Hope is the feathered thing that perches in your heart." ~ Emily Dickinson  
    • Mom Cat (9778 posts)
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      2. Thanks for being there and for your report.

      :bounce:

           NEVER FORGET      BERNIE WON!          
    • RadicleFantast (1407 posts)
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      3. Thank you!

      Interesting observation about your Senators and other politicians being there. I don’t think our Senators ever care about our Congressmen’s town hall meetings here. It’s significant that they’re keeping an eye on her!

      “We’re not going to accept no more hemming and hawing. No more game playing. Make your stand.”

      • KauaiK (3530 posts)
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        19. I agree RadicleFantast

        Most politicians want to be seen.  They were all in the back of the room.  The County Prosecutor (a weenie) left as soon as it started.    There’s another post below that says that Schatz is going to hold a meeting; Hirano is having eye surgery.  Tulsi’s district is all the neighbor island + Oahu EXCEPT Honolulu.

        Critical thinking is the vaccine for charlatans of the world who exploit ignorance - JPR's own So Far From Heaven.

    • Green Dog Dem (3276 posts)
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      4. I've been wondering how she is on domestic policy.

      The raves she gets here are for her pro-Bernie, antiwar stance, and the way she stood up to Little Debbie and the DNC. As I recall, she wasn’t a particularly progressive legislator. But the single-payer thing is a hopeful sign.

      Aloha! KamaAina in the hale (house).
    • jdpriestly (5879 posts)
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      5. Tulsi would be a good presidential nominee in 2020. She is great!

      No Truth!  No Trust!  Bernie or Bust!
    • ZimInSeattle (1152 posts)
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      6. Thanks for the report. Sanders/Gabbard 2020 (PPP)

      "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK | Bernie would have WON! |“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness" - J.K. Galbraith |“Fascism is a result of the failure of the left to provide an alternative” - Leon Trotsky | Sanders/Gabbard 2020 (PPP)
    • mmonk (1409 posts)
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      7. Thanks for sharing. I'm a North Carolinian that supports her.

    • so far from heaven (10725 posts)
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      8. She gets it. She is thinking forward

      not necessarily for electing a president, but for forging a new tomorrow. In the end everyone wants a better world, the difference being on how to achieve it. This says it all:

      “She repeatedly pointed out that with every issue there is an opportunity…”

      Exactly. The opportunities are lying all over the place, we just have to take them and run with them.

      boobie"When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx
      • KauaiK (3530 posts)
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        20. She DOES get it SFFH

        Someone brought a sign that said Tulsi has a spine.  Hanging from the sign was a full-size human spine (probably Halloween decoration).

        Critical thinking is the vaccine for charlatans of the world who exploit ignorance - JPR's own So Far From Heaven.

        • so far from heaven (10725 posts)
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          24. She seems to be pure leadership material.

          YOU have to keep her in office. Get with it.

          We need her for a running mate in 2020.

          boobie"When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx
          • KauaiK (3530 posts)
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            26. WHY running "mate". Why not the top of the ticket or have your reserved it for

            Bernie?

            Critical thinking is the vaccine for charlatans of the world who exploit ignorance - JPR's own So Far From Heaven.

            • so far from heaven (10725 posts)
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              27. If Bernie keeps his face in the news cycles for another couple of years,

              he will be the next president. It’s that simple. But, he’s old like some here on JPR, and should have his running mate be the president for the next two terms after.

              Then socialist policies have a chance.

              She has to be ready to be pres regardless in 3 years.

              boobie"When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx
              • KauaiK (3530 posts)
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                29. Oh…I thought, perhaps, you were being a tad piggy as in oink, oink, oink.

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                • so far from heaven (10725 posts)
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                  30. Wrong guy.

                  I happen to think females are superior to most males because they think with a different part of their anatomy somewhere well above their crotches.

                  boobie"When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx
    • Jefferson23 (5359 posts)
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      9. What I like about her:

      Her trip to Syria / meeting w/ Assad: She related that she also met with Syrian citizens who are being bombed not only by Assad but Russia, Turkey, Israel and the US. The Syrians just was the war to stop. She said the US policy of “illegal” regime change” is counterproductive and doesn’t work.

      • Mnpaul (1239 posts)
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        11. I like that she is open to change when presented with a different view

        She was against gay marriage but when she saw what happens when religion gets involved in government she changed her stance. I haven’t seen that conversion before. This tells me that she is one smart cookie.

        If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything - Hamilton
    • frylock (1231 posts)
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      10. Golly, I've come to understand that Rep. Gabbard was going to be primaried..

      and tossed out on her ass. Now you, a real-life constituent, is claiming otherwise.  Have I been mislead by centrist shitbags who have an axe to grind?

      • Mnpaul (1239 posts)
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        12. Oh noes, the Clinton Deadenders are coming for Tulsi

        Yeah, good luck with that. They can’t even defeat Trump.

        Neverless, I’m already sending cash. I received a request for $5 yesterday and sent $27 today.

        From the email:

        Paul,

        There is no time to waste during the April District Work Period in Congress. Legislators travel home to hear from their constituents, hold town halls and work with the local community. The good ones take what they learn from voters back to Washington — and Tulsi is one of the best.

        As one of the leading voices for peace in Congress, Tulsi’s principled stand against President Trump’s illegal military escalation in Syria has attracted criticism from the establishment in both parties. She remains on the frontlines in the fight for clean water here in Hawaii and around the nation (for example, in Flint, and at Standing Rock). In the effort to expand health care, Tulsi’s support for Medicare for All continues our fight for truly affordable access to quality healthcare for all.

        These battles have never been hers alone. While establishment politicians work for their largest campaign contributors, Tulsi works for all of us.

        https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/tg-mar?refcode=em170419-suba

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        • Rozinante (3223 posts)
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          13. Pls send direct to Tulsi's campaign.

          ActBlue takes a cut, plus there’s the possibility of the money being hijacked (like to DCCC). Safest bet is to donate directly to the candidates, so they and you get the most bang for the buck.

          • Mnpaul (1239 posts)
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            15. Is votetulsi.com her campaign?

            The receipt states Tulsi Gabbard $27

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      • KauaiK (3530 posts)
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        21. I kinda hope they do waste their money running a candidate.

        Critical thinking is the vaccine for charlatans of the world who exploit ignorance - JPR's own So Far From Heaven.

      • KauaiK (3530 posts)
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        28. I hope they do waste their money to primary her.

        I’m sure the Clintonistas have spies in the Tulsi crowds.  You’d think they’d look at the crowds that assembly for Bernie and Tulsi and think…what are then doing right?  But (a) they refused to see it; it doesn’t fit into their beliefs and/or reality so it doesn’t exist; and (b) they are incapable of introspection.

        What a bunch of macaroons.

        Critical thinking is the vaccine for charlatans of the world who exploit ignorance - JPR's own So Far From Heaven.

    • davidgmills (4949 posts)
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      14. Interesting comment on North Korea

      I have been hearing a number of ex-CIA people say the North Korea does not have the bomb and that all of its bomb tests have been duds and none have demonstrated anything like a nuclear reaction.  So is Tulsi misinformed or is Trump incorrect?

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      • Ohio Barbarian (3781 posts)
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        16. Neither. North Korea does have a few Hiroshima-sized fission bombs.

        That’s just a fact. Years ago seismographs around the world recorded little earthquakes consistent only with the detonation of atomic bombs underground. Drop the conspiracy theory already.

        They don’t, however, have thermonuclear weapons yet, and it is doubtful they have the ability to launch one of their fission bombs with any accuracy on a missile. Yet.

        So Tulsi is not misinformed and Trump is actually correct when he says North Korea has atomic weapons.

        "Identity politics is the last refuge of the politically incompetent."  --Me, with a hat tip to Isaac Asimov  
        • davidgmills (4949 posts)
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          33. Don't be so hostile about CT pal.

          It was just a fucking question.  But I would like some  links to the data that suggest fission level earthquakes.

          French Revolution; not secession.
          • Ohio Barbarian (3781 posts)
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            43. The Google is your friend. I am not.

            And I consider myself healthily skeptical of CT. It is that skepticism which made me question the whole Russian CT seized upon by the M$M. With me, it works across ideological preference; at least, I try. Let’s not engage in an argument over the subject on KauaiK’s thread, though. We’d just have to agree to disagree, anyway.

            "Identity politics is the last refuge of the politically incompetent."  --Me, with a hat tip to Isaac Asimov  
            • davidgmills (4949 posts)
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              44. See the reason I asked the question is that I just saw a video

              Of Ron Paul who believes that North Korea still does not have a “nuke.”  Like him or not, Paul is one of the few politicians who is genuinely and consistently anti-war (Kucinich is the other take-it-to-the-bank anti-war politician).  So I kind of think he might be correct.  About the 3:15 mark of this video.

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    • CalGoldenBear (532 posts)
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      17. It may be that you "misheard" or misunderstood regarding "Tulsi"'s

      healthcare bill.

      The bill that has traction, at least on the Dem side of the aisle, is H.R. 676, “Expanded and Improved Medicare for All Act.”  It was introduced on 1/24/17 by Rep. John Conyers of MI, with 51 original c0sponsors.  https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/676/cosponsors.

      Tulsi did not jump on board until 3/28/17 and seems to be co-sponsor #75.

      And while she may have some “progressive” positions on issues. she (as well as Sen. Hirono and Rep. Hanabusa, who both have served in the House) is NOT a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, which Bernie Sanders helped co-found in 1991 when he first arrived in the House.  (Today, he’s the only senator who’s a member of the CPC).

      In contrast, the late Mark Takai, when he ran for the House from HI’s CD 1 in 2014, he pledged to join the CPC if elected.  Once elected, he joined the CPC and was a member at the time of his untimely death from pancreatic cancer on 7/20/16.  And like Tulsi, he was a member of the HARNG, but he didn’t go around tooting his horn about being a “combat veteran” although he deployed as part of Operation Iraqi Freedom in 2009.

      BTW, Tulsi is NOT the only member of the HI CODEL who is home and holding town hall meetings.  Sen Brian Schatz has had at least a couple; Rep. Hanabusa has at least one scheduled for 4/22, which happens to be the same date and time as the Dem Party of HI’s Oahu County Convention (OCC); and Sen. Hirono is reportedly having eye surgery during this recess in DC and will have a couple of town halls on Oahu and Kauai on 5/6).

      And finally, if anything, Tulsi doesn’t have to worry about being primaried.  If anything, Sen. Hirono has to worry about Tulsi running against her next year for her Senate seat.  In debates, quite likely Tulsi will eat up the Hillbot Hirono and spit her out.

      • KauaiK (3530 posts)
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        22. She had handouts on the bills she has introduced and/or sponsored.

        I’ll get them out and look again.

        Critical thinking is the vaccine for charlatans of the world who exploit ignorance - JPR's own So Far From Heaven.

      • KauaiK (3530 posts)
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        42. Thinking about Schatz and Hirano town halls

        I hope Mazie’s eye surgery goes well.  At least she has good insurance coverage.  As for town halls by Schatz and Hirano – they represent ALL ISLANDS not just Oahu.  I think they should follow Tulsi’s lead.

        Tulsi’s district is all neighbor islands + Oahu outside of Honolulu.   She has a town hall meeting on each island.

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    • WillyT (8956 posts)
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    • Matthew76 (246 posts)
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      31. But Russia! Russia!

      Quick, have to distract from the good things she is doing.

      A big Recommend for you. Thanks for the report.

      • KauaiK (3530 posts)
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        32. There was someone who did mention the "Russia" thing last night

        and there were groans.

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    • doh1304 (296 posts)
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      34. The first time I heard Tulsi

      I thought that she wasn’t ready yet. The second time. only a few weeks later, well, it was like she had had a polish infusion, and that’s a complement, no cynicism. She really rose to the occasion.

      Something I think is really, really important – Trump is a buffoon. Like Reagan, he will be bad, but do little damage (though like Reagan, the people around him will do real, immense damage) Pence, however, is Satanic evil. There is a difference. (and never forget, though it’s hard. Hillary is Lovecraftian evil)

      Another thought – the whole conflict of interest thing. We have to be careful about that. It could look like a witch hunt. (remember that Cheney conformed with all the laws and still gave billions to Halliburton, and how can Democrats mention conflict of interest with Diane Feinstein in their party?)

      • KauaiK (3530 posts)
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        35. I agree with Feinstein. She needs to retire.

        If there are corporate democrats that go down, so be it.   I also think Pence is far more sinister than Trump.

        Critical thinking is the vaccine for charlatans of the world who exploit ignorance - JPR's own So Far From Heaven.

    • Enthusiast (8865 posts)
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      36. Recommended to max!

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat, 1848
    • Marym625 (23443 posts)
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      37. I'm so sorry i missed this. On The Daily Radical!

      Fantastic post!

      Were you able to read your question? If not, did anyone ask something similar?

      Thank you for sharing this with us

      Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
      • KauaiK (3530 posts)
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        38. No. One had to submit a question in writing and staff would choose

        Tulsi did say that all questions would have a response from her office whether or not they were addressed then.

         

        Critical thinking is the vaccine for charlatans of the world who exploit ignorance - JPR's own So Far From Heaven.

        • Marym625 (23443 posts)
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          39. Awesome

          Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
          • Snort McDork (2434 posts)
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            40. I was going to go but

            I missed my flight. : )

            • Marym625 (23443 posts)
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              41. Damn!

              At least you weren’t thrown off! :lol:

              Oi245KQ-1 "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian