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    • #425406
      lownslow
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    • #425408
      JonLP
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      I’m just going to avoid the so-called big stories including the other theories that are out right now.

      Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

      Like many public systems, GOP want to rip the battery out + say the whole car doesn’t work, so they can sell it for parts - AOC

    • #425409
      KenTankerous
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      It’s not hard to believe that the profit motive would be a major player in all this.

      "If we define an American fascist as one who in case of conflict puts money and power ahead of human beings, then there are undoubtedly several million fascists in the United States."
      - Henry A. Wallace
      (FDR's Vice President until he was forced out by the corrupt forces of obscene wealth.)

    • #425410
      JonLP
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      I’m glad I don’t get my Covid info from JPR.

      This was the first hit on Google.

      Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19

      Here’s What You Need to Know about Ivermectin

      • FDA has not approved ivermectin for use in treating or preventing COVID-19 in humans. Ivermectin tablets are approved at very specific doses for some parasitic worms, and there are topical (on the skin) formulations for head lice and skin conditions like rosacea. Ivermectin is not an anti-viral (a drug for treating viruses).
      • Taking large doses of this drug is dangerous and can cause serious harm.
      • If you have a prescription for ivermectin for an FDA-approved use, get it from a legitimate source and take it exactly as prescribed.

      https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

      Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

      Like many public systems, GOP want to rip the battery out + say the whole car doesn’t work, so they can sell it for parts - AOC

      • #425411
        GZeusH
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        Ah yes, trust the Google algorithm to take you right to the acceptable information.

        I myself, prefer accurate information, which might take a little digging:

        The second bullet there “Taking large doses of this drug is dangerous and can cause serious harm” is true for almost any chemical substance, including water.  It appears these Indians have found a dosing regime that works.

        Hitler 1944: Kiev is to be held to the last man.
        Biden 2022: Kiev is to be held to the last Ukrainian.

        • #425412
          JonLP
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          I’m just glad I’m fully vaccinated and it was the VA offering Pfizer vaccines rather than whatever this drug is.

          Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

          Like many public systems, GOP want to rip the battery out + say the whole car doesn’t work, so they can sell it for parts - AOC

          • #425415
            GZeusH
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            Has been prescribed for hundreds of millions of people.  It is a well-known antihelminthic, and has now been found to have anti-viral properties that make it efficacious against the covid virus.

            Agreed, it’s not as good as being vaccinated, but while hundreds of millions of Indians are waiting for the vaccine to show up, here is something that works in the meantime.

            Hitler 1944: Kiev is to be held to the last man.
            Biden 2022: Kiev is to be held to the last Ukrainian.

      • #425447
        Bearian
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        • #425816
          JonLP
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          My last post there was about Iran. I have no desire to go back especially if I want to like Nina Turner or The Squad. Huge AOC fans get banned quick at SV.

          I get my information from a variety of sources. I rarely watch Rachel Maddow.

          I use Twitter now. At least on Twitter I can support writers and people I like and I can ignore or even block writers I don’t like on Twitter. I have freedom there.

          Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

          Like many public systems, GOP want to rip the battery out + say the whole car doesn’t work, so they can sell it for parts - AOC

          • #425908
            Enthusiast
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            A whole bunch. This is why I never ever visit SV.

            I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".

            Me

    • #425416
      JonLP
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      All I did was type the name.

      There’s no proof that hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin caused a drop in cases in India

      On May 17, The New York Times reported that the coronavirus crisis was so severe in India, with about 23 million infections confirmed, that the country was accounting for more than half of the world’s daily COVID-19 cases.

      The same day, The Gateway Pundit posted a story suggesting that two drugs — both of which have drawn warnings from U.S. and global public health officials not to be used for COVID-19 — were having dramatic effects in India.

      The headline, widely shared on Facebook, read: “Elites Worried: COVID Cases in India Plummet After Government Promotes Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine Use.”

      The post was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about PolitiFact’s partnership with Facebook.)

      https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/theres-no-proof-that-hydroxychloroquine-or-ivermectin-caused-a-drop-in-cases-in-india/

      I didn’t even type India. As bad as things are or were India it is worse in Kashmir and India has one of those right wing populists that can’t govern as head of state.

      Free Kashmir

      Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

      Like many public systems, GOP want to rip the battery out + say the whole car doesn’t work, so they can sell it for parts - AOC

      • #425512
        lownslow
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        Read the article before posting,  @JonLP it clearly talks about case positivity and hospitalizations fally signifigantly after introduction of said drug. I personaly trust all naked capitalism over nyt (wmd) or the first hit on google. follow the money, sir, always follow the money and research the doctors in the article. They are tisking their careers by even speaking out.

        • #425520
          Cold Mountain Trail
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          NC is good for info on economic matters.

          For info about health or scientific matters, they’re just another opinion, no better than mine or anyone else’s and maybe worse.

          • #425523
            lownslow
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            So nc has posted several lengthy well documented articles on said drug(some of which ive posted here. These articles containopinions by many doctors and specialists plus numerous citations. I think you didnt read this last article or the one before. Cmon, cmt, you can do better

          • #425618
            lownslow
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            I counted 11 different doctors cited, (even more in comments) , numerous high quality links to exhaustive data. I would have to cut/paste the whole article. One link is the nyt reporters 15 page article(very good) also definitely check out the comments if you are ‘truly’ interested. They are very informative. 😉the article is exactly as described. I dont know what more a person could want in an informative health related article. Show me a better source? Faucci? Johns Hopkins? The lancet? Show me your great well researched article on ivermectin and the medias suppression of its efficacy. Because thats what its really about, media manipulation.

        • #425536
          Cold Mountain Trail
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          I don’t see anything even similar to what you claim the article says @lownslow

          Can you copy/paste the part you’re referencing?

          On edit:  I guess not.  Seems I’m the only person here who actually *really* reads the damn articles.

      • #425598
        Cold Mountain Trail
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    • #425419
      JonLP
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      Advocate for Progressive/Liberal/Left goals.

      I follow that rule.

      So I’m supposed to call Russiagate is a hoax but I’m supposed to believe this drug is cure while worrying about a Wuhan Lab Theory?

      I’m also a bad person because I don’t want to work with Boogaloo Boys.

      There was a reason why I didn’t want to about this as well as those 3 other theories because it is nothing but drama.

      Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

      Like many public systems, GOP want to rip the battery out + say the whole car doesn’t work, so they can sell it for parts - AOC

      • #425508
        Ohio Barbarian
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        There has never been one scintilla of hard evidence that Russia interfered in the 2016 election, in spite of what they say on SV and MSNBC. That’s why most of us here believe it was a lie from the beginning, most likely started by the Clinton campaign after She lost and/or by the intelligence agencies, since that’s where all those “anonymous sources” came from. Besides, Mueller debunked Russiagate. That’s just a fact. There was never any there there. Please get over it.

        No one here, at least not on the admin/mod team, thinks you must think of  ivermoctin or whatever as a cure for Covid. I certainly don’t think that because I don’t know enough about it one way or the other, though I do tend to be persuaded by @mrmickeysmom , who really is a retired RN and really does know where to look for information on this shit. That makes me more inclined to agree with your position on this issue than those who are saying this drug is the real deal.

        No one ever said you had to like the Bugaloo Boys, either. Some, myself included, think it’s worth talking to some of them to see if there is some common ground(there is), but I don’t recall anyone here actually endorsing them or praising them to the skies, either.

        As for the Wuhan lab, some here have always believed it was an artificially created virus. Others, myself included, did not believe that without some hard evidence, but now there is some hard evidence. I certainly do not claim to understand everything about what happened.

        In any case, just because the Democratic Party says something is so or says we should believe in something, does not mean that something even exists or that we should believe what they say, since they are most definitely not advancing progressive or left goals(liberal is a matter of interpretation–I think they are myself but others disagree), and they are proven liars.

        The Republicans lie too, of course, they just lie with a different style. I think that maybe you want to believe the best about the Democrats and to give them the benefit of the doubt. I can’t condemn you for that, because I did the exact same thing for many decades, but I finally reached my tipping point with them and now refuse to be publicly associated with them because that would be too embarrassing for me.

        I don’t think you’re there yet, and seeing all of these other people who are makes you very upset for some reason. Anyway, this ain’t SV. I see somebody reported your post as trolling. For the record, since I engaged with you I won’t vote on what to do with your reply, but if I did I would leave it alone. I don’t think you’re a troll.

        I do think you need some sleep. Or good weed. Or something.

        Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

        The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

        • #425814
          JonLP
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          A moderator asked “are you a troll?” And I answered.

          I think I need to stay away from JPR.

          BTW weed is legal in Arizona.

          As far as Boogaloo Boys they don’t really support BLM or LGBT they just pretend to support those things to fool leftists.


          @davidthegnome

          I don’t report or alert ever and plus I don’t know how the system works here.

          Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

          Like many public systems, GOP want to rip the battery out + say the whole car doesn’t work, so they can sell it for parts - AOC

        • #426925
          Cold Mountain Trail
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          I understood (from reading @mrmickeysmom posts) that she was a Respiratory Therapist.  Is she also an RN?  They are rather different things.

          “In the United States, a Respiratory Therapist is a clinician who has at a minimum completed an Associate of Science in Respiratory Care degree along with a certification process. After satisfactorily completing required examinations either administered by the National Board for Respiratory Care or directly by the individual state licensing board (either the medical examiner’s board or a special state respiratory care board), the practitioner is then eligible to apply for a license to practice in the region governed by their respective licensing body.”

           

          I believe MMM says she’s not an RN a few posts down as well.

          “My retired RN friends would not include me (a retired RT)”

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respiratory_therapist

           

    • #425425
      RCW2020
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      dogs back in 1992. We tried everything normally used on dogs with mange to no avail and finally called the vet and said I think I’m going to have to put at least one of the dogs down due to this chronic affliction. He told me he had heard something about using ivermectin internally for the treatment of mange but he had to contact his colleagues at Texas A&M Vet school.

      He called my into his office and handed me a bottle of ivermectin with dosage instructions and I was more than willing to give it a try.

      Within one week, Suzy was seeing dramatic improvement and that stuff permanently cured both Suzy and Max of mange.

      I believe it is a main ingredient in some heartworm medications for dogs also.

      • #425524
        Cold Mountain Trail
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        Because mange (similar to scabies in humans) is caused by parasitic mites & ivermectin is a drug that kills parasites and worms.

        “Ivermectin is a medication used to treat many types of parasite infestations.[3] In humans, this includes head lice, scabies, river blindness (onchocerciasis), strongyloidiasis, trichuriasis, ascariasis, and lymphatic filariasis.[3][4][5][6] In veterinary medicine, it is used to prevent and treat heartworm and acariasis, among other indications.[5] It can be taken by mouth or applied to the skin for external infestations.[3][7]

        Common side effects include fever, itching, and skin rash when taken by mouth,[3] and red eyes, dry skin, and burning skin when used topically for head lice.[8] …It belongs to the avermectin family of medications.[3] It works through many mechanisms of action that result in death of the targeted parasites…Ivermectin and its related drugs act by interfering with nerve and muscle function of helminths and insects.[40] The drug binds to glutamate-gated chloride channels that are common to invertebrate nerve and muscle cells.[41] Ivermectin binding pushes these channels open, increasing the flow of chloride ions and hyper-polarizing the cell membranes.[41][40] This hyperpolarization paralyzes the affected tissue, eventually killing the invertebrate.[41] In mammals (including humans) glutamate-gated chloride channels are restricted to the brain and spinal cord; ivermectin cannot cross the blood-brain barrier and so it does not make it to the brain to affect mammalian channels.[41] (Unless you have that gene mutation…or some other condition that allows it…)”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivermectin

         

        “Sarcoptic mange, also known as canine scabies, is a highly contagious infestation of Sarcoptes scabiei var. canis, a burrowing mite. The canine sarcoptic mite can also infest cats, pigs, horses, sheep, and various other species. The human analog of burrowing mite infection, due to a closely related species, is called scabies (the “seven year itch”).

        Burrowing mites are in the family Sarcoptidae. They dig into and through the skin, causing intense itching from an allergic reaction to the mite’s feces, and crusting that can quickly become infected…Dogs with chronic sarcoptic mange are often in poor condition, and in both animals and humans, immune suppression from starvation or any other disease causes this type of mange to develop into a highly crusted form in which the burden of mites is far higher than in healthy specimens…

        Selamectin is licensed for treatment in dogs by veterinary prescription in several countries; it is applied as a dose directly to the skin, once per month (the drug does not wash off). A related and older drug ivermectin is also effective and can be given by mouth for two to four weekly treatments or until two negative skin scrapings are achieved. Oral ivermectin is not safe to use on some collie-like herding dogs, however, due to possible homozygous MDR1 (P-glycoprotein) mutations that increase its toxicity by allowing it into the brain. Ivermectin injections are also effective and given in either weekly or every two weeks in one to four doses, although the same MDR1 dog restrictions apply.”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mange

    • #425448
      salemcourt
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      so that the bad orange man could be defeated.

    • #425463
      Mr. Mickeys Mom
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      Because, I’m glad I go to scientific literature for my information…

      Ivermectin, a US Food and Drug Administration-approved anti-parasitic agent, was found to inhibit severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) replication in vitro. A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial was conducted to determine the rapidity of viral clearance and safety of ivermectin among adult SARS-CoV-2 patients. The trial included 72 hospitalized patients in Dhaka, Bangladesh, who were assigned to one of three groups: oral ivermectin alone (12 mg once daily for 5 days), oral ivermectin in combination with doxycycline (12 mg ivermectin single dose and 200 mg doxycycline on day 1, followed by 100 mg every 12 h for the next 4 days), and a placebo control group. Clinical symptoms of fever, cough, and sore throat were comparable among the three groups. Virological clearance was earlier in the 5-day ivermectin treatment arm when compared to the placebo group (9.7 days vs 12.7 days; p = 0.02), but this was not the case for the ivermectin + doxycycline arm (11.5 days; p = 0.27). There were no severe adverse drug events recorded in the study. A 5-day course of ivermectin was found to be safe and effective in treating adult patients with mild COVID-19. Larger trials will be needed to confirm these preliminary findings.

      Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

      • #425504
        Ohio Barbarian
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        Am I understanding that right? It would make sense, given that secondary infections are usually what kill people with Covid, not the Covid virus itself.

        Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

        The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

        • #425538
          Mr. Mickeys Mom
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          There was faster clearance of the virus in this study with the ivermectin alone, but both faired better than the placebo group.

          My retired RN friends would not include me (a retired RT) in their professional clutch, even though few nurses in my 43 years understood cellular physiology better. 😉

          Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

          • #425540
            Ohio Barbarian
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            Obviously, I don’t know how to interpret that stuff.

            Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

            The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

        • #425543
          Cold Mountain Trail
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          Actually we don’t know what made the difference or if there even was a real difference because the study’s not been replicated.  And the sample size was too small to have actual significance.  But it was the arm *without* tetracycline that showed statistical significance at .02 in clearing virus from the blood about 3 days earlier though not in reducing symptoms.

          “Clinical symptoms of fever, cough, and sore throat were comparable among the three groups.

          Virological clearance was earlier in the 5-day ivermectin treatment arm when compared to the placebo group (9.7 days vs 12.7 days; p = 0.02),

          not the case for the ivermectin + doxycycline arm (11.5 days; p = 0.27)”  (p-value .27 = Not statistically significant)

           

          And here’s the entire study (someone had a completely different study posted earlier, its now gone)

          “A five-day course of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 may reduce the duration of illness

          Ivermectin may be effective for the treatment of early-onset mild COVID-19 in adult patients.

          Although the study sample was too small (n = 72) to draw any solid conclusions, the results provide evidence of the potential benefit of early intervention with the drug ivermectin for the treatment of adult patients diagnosed with mild COVID-19….

          This work was supported by Beximco Pharmaceutical Limited, Bangladesh.”

          (Guessing the corporation funding the research also makes the drug.  Red flag.)

           

          Open-access journals:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_access

          Some open access journals (under the gold, and hybrid models) generate revenue by charging publication fees in order to make the work openly available at the time of publication. The money might come from the author but more often comes from the author’s research grant or employer. While the payments are typically incurred per article published (e.g. BMC or PLOS journals), some journals apply them per manuscript submitted (e.g. Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics until recently) or per author (e.g. PeerJ).

          Charges typically range from $1,000–$2,000 but can be under $10 or over $5,000… Hybrid OA generally costs more than gold OA and can offer a lower quality of service. A particularly controversial practice in hybrid open access journals is “double dipping”, where both authors and subscribers are charged.

          By comparison, journal subscriptions equate to $3,500–$4,000 per article published by an institution, but are highly variable by publisher (and some charge page fees separately).  This has led to the assessment that there is enough money “within the system” to enable full transition to OA.  However, there is ongoing discussion about whether the change-over offers an opportunity to become more cost-effective or promotes more equitable participation in publication. Concern has been noted that increasing subscription journal prices will be mirrored by rising APCs, creating a barrier to less financially privileged authors.  Some gold OA publishers will waive all or part of the fee for authors from less developed economies. Steps are normally taken to ensure that peer reviewers do not know whether authors have requested, or been granted, fee waivers, or to ensure that every paper is approved by an independent editor with no financial stake in the journal. The main argument against requiring authors to pay a fee, is the risk to the peer review system, diminishing the overall quality of scientific journal publishing.

    • #425466
      General Disarray
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      Highly specialized doctors with no skin in the profiteering say this works and we wont even give it a look. Fauci, Daszak and Brics all known vaccine profiteers for many years and proven liars are treated as saints. Go figure! My loyalty is with the highly specialized doctors and scientists.

    • #425485
      David the Gnome
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      @jonlp

      Given the recent findings regarding the origins of covid19, it is increasingly convincing that it did initially come from the Wuhan lab.

      As for Russiagate, there was never a valid point.  The accusation that Russia used Facebook to promote Donald Trump may be true.  So what?  Plenty of other Countries are interested in American elections and spend money to influence them.  Frankly, there was never any proof that any kind of interference came from the Russian government – or that any votes actually changed as a result of the “meddling”.

      I dont see anyone here supporting the boogaloo boys – maybe I missed something – and you are free to believe as you like.  As is everyone else.  People will argue with you, some times they will argue passionately.  Personal attacks are not allowed though.  So if you feel like someone is attacking you – contact the mods or admin.

      It is fine to have a difference of opinion – but having an opinion contrary to that of most of the forum will make for debate and criticism.

      As regards this drug, I do not have the background to argue any position.  I will say though, that dissing JPR on JPR probably won’t help accomplish anything positive.

      • #425824
        JonLP
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        Ohio Barbarian told me I should be a paid gaslighter for the DNC which I took as a compliment.

        He also told me I should be a paid gaslighter for The Squad when I was defending them by providing facts which he admitted was a backhanded compliment.

        Edit: I have a long memory when it comes to this.

        https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/rioter-with-horns-might-have-ptsd-from-navy-service/

        I want to thank @twilightsporkle (The Red Menace) for having my back in that thread. I also notice he hasn’t made a post since that thread.

        I didn’t want to address Russia but I will.

        I got this PM from somebody who used to post at JPR before I did.


        Glad you are here!
        You’re brave to post at JPR. Are there still a lot of pro-Russia people there?

        got furious with them about Russia.
        They are a textbook example of Russian trolls trying to influence lefties/liberals in the U.S.

        And besides, I’m (redacted) The (redacted) have suffered a lot from Russia over the past few centuries. They are worried that the Orange Traitor will sit back and let Russia invade the Baltic countries.

        Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

        Like many public systems, GOP want to rip the battery out + say the whole car doesn’t work, so they can sell it for parts - AOC

        • #426045
          JonLP
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          This is what the person in the PM was replying to:

          What happened with RebelDems shutting down so suddenly? No explanation, nothing.
          > >
          > > (redacted)
          >
          > I have no idea either. The last thing I posted there was AOC winning her seat. There wasn’t anyone around so I wonder if site was shut down for lack of traffic.
          >
          > I post over at JPR now which is fine but I argue Russia stuff every now and then since denial is still big over there.
          >
          > It is good to hear from you.

           

          For transparency

          Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

          Like many public systems, GOP want to rip the battery out + say the whole car doesn’t work, so they can sell it for parts - AOC

        • #426055
          Ohio Barbarian
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          And now you come in quoting someone still on SV, of all places(gotta admit, that’s a ballsy thing to do here) who was calling most JPR members Russian trolls oblivious of the suffering inflicted by Russia on some redacted country or the other, thereby implying we are morally bad people. That looks remarkably like a gaslighter quoting another gaslighter as proof of his commitment to journalistic integrity.

          On the bright side, you still get an A+ from me on your gaslighting skills.

          As for the Bugaloo Bois or whatever, I really don’t know all that much about them. I just don’t have a problem talking to them or anyone else in the working class and maybe finding common ground. I think that possibility is what scares liberals, most of whom are upper middle class or retired people who have few, if any, significant material worries. Why? Because then their lifestyles, values, and material conflicts of interest might be exposed, which would destroy that moral high ground they love so much to be on.

          Not to mention exposing them as the tools of the oligarchy that they truly are. Russiagate is a great example of this. The same people who were all for civil rights in the 60s are now for expanding the power of the national security state in the 20-teens. Talk about regression!

          Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

          The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

          • #426065
            JonLP
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            Well I did give this compliment. I felt I had to let the person know plus show my sent PM to be fair.

             

            This is one of my favorite threads I do like the progressive posters from Washington & Oregon

            Oregon counties vote to secede to Idaho

            (The Hill) Voters in five rural Oregon counties approved measures on Tuesday to consider joining the state of Idaho, a part of a long-shot grassroots movement to break with a state dominated by liberal voters west of the Cascade Mountains.

            https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/oregon-counties-vote-to-secede-to-idaho/

            This is my favorite post in the thread

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            I’ve often wished that Western Washington would secede from the Union and join Canada.

            Kind of like how Crimea once again became part of Russia. @ScottCrowder is right. Washington has the most regressive tax code in the country. It’s controlled by neoshitlibs beholden to Microsoft, Amazon, & Boeing. But I can’t think of any other place in this country that I’d rather live.

            ——-

            Cold Mountain Trail is one of my favorite posters there who is one of the Washington State posters. I do miss the Sea-Tac area.

            Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

            Like many public systems, GOP want to rip the battery out + say the whole car doesn’t work, so they can sell it for parts - AOC

    • #425529
      Pam2
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      @davidthegnome

      Jimmy Dore interviewed a Boogaloo Boy (who claimed to agree with progressive ideas) and some of us defended his right to do that.

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      eridani
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      –it’s far more important to reduce the spread of COVID.

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