I Just Found A Reply To A Post Of Mine… As "Liberal Bullshit"

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    • #304675
      WillyT
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      I know people are pissed, scared, frustrated and annoyed, but…

      REALLY ???

      I’m going for a drink.

      I had the impression that we post here IS in a “Liberal Site”.

      Was I misled???

      :shrug:

       

    • #304695
      jbnw
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      I’m with you – I believe in “liberal bullshit.” To me, that translates to wanting to support people, not for corporations (except when that really helps people).

    • #304705
      Bluesuedeshoes
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      I will buy the first 100 rounds 🙂

      Greg Lapalina

    • #304708
      Mr. Mickeys Mom
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      but, fuck that shit… You’re here.

      Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

    • #304709
      PTTP
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      Without knowing the content of the thread, I can’t say much.

      PowerToThePeople!  Bernie or Bust 2020!

    • #304800
      A Simple Game
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      But there are a few liberal bashers here.  The problem is there are too many “kinds” of liberals, most of which are in name only.  Neoliberal?  Really, there is nothing liberal about a neoliberal.  Limousine liberal?  Only if it is convenient and benefits me.  Etc.  Perhaps some don’t realize that these aren’t really liberals.  This dilution is a ploy to dilute the label and was started by the Republicans in the 1960s to discredit liberalism.  To make matters worse the Democratic party has jumped on the anti-liberal bandwagon.  Everyone should know by now that Democrat does not equal liberal or vice versa.  Some here have even mentioned liberals as being pro war.  I would invite any that think liberals are bad to reread the definition of a liberal, I don’t think it’s what you think it is.

      As someone who formed my opinions and moral philosophy in the mid 1960’s I need no adjectives to describe my liberalism and will accept none.  Well… I never really minded the “bleeding heart” one.  I started out as one of those dirty effing hippy liberals, and I am proud of what I am.  But to be really honest with everyone including myself, I really am more of a socialist with a touch of libertarian in the government stay out of my personnel business and spying on people part.

    • #304819
      ozoneman
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      And we see that everywhere, including ” vote blue no matter who.”

    • #304849
      Ohio Barbarian
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      You could have done that, but noooooo…., you start an OP that basically cries WTF! in poutrage. Just so you know, I’m a socialist, and most definitely not a liberal. Liberals, you see, support capitalism as the dominant economic system, and I don’t.

      Liberals these days also focus almost exclusively on social and identity politics issues, and I find that woefully insufficient because they do not challenge the fundamental political and economic power structures of American society.

      There are longterm liberals, by my definition, on JPR and there’s never been any attempt to purge them from the site. There is no such effort now. Yet you imply that there is one.

      Again, if you have a problem with one of my replies, or anyone else’s, to your posts, then either take it up directly with the poster or, if you feel it violates one of JPR’s Terms of Service, flag it. Don’t be afraid of me. I’m just one person, one voice.

      Starting a whole OP to cry about it isn’t going to win you much respect here. That’s a DU tactic, and most of us have had quite enough of that sort of thing.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

      • #304954
        WillyT
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        And I never knew that Liberals and Socialists were mutually exclusive. I always assumed they could be allies.

        I’ll definitely look further into it.

        As for me, I support socialized medicine, and a host of other social programs. I am currently working for one, Unemployment Insurance.

        As for starting an OP about your response…

        I did not name you, and I was completely shocked by it happening here.

        Like I said I did not know that Liberals and socialists were enemies.

        And… I was checking to see if I was on the wrong site.

        And… to see if I was crazy (jury’s still out).

        Sorry if I handled it wrongly.

        WillyT

         

        • #305201
          ieoeja
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          And maybe regret what I post.

          I am Ohio Barbarian’s opposite.  I am a Liberal who is not a Socialist.  I support some of what OB favors and very much opposes many things he supports.  I do not know where OB lies on the “no compromise” spectrum which dominates current US politics.  I suspect he is very much on the “no”.  I am on the “wish we still could, but the other guys refuse to comprise leaving us no choice”.  By JPR standards that makes me a sellout.  By SV standards that makes me a radical.

          I really should not post this except that I am drunk and bored and believe I understand with what the two of you are having a problem.

           

      • #305283
        PolecatHollerer
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        If you give a man enough rope, it will be six inches too short. This is not the nature of rope- it is the nature of man.

    • #305109
      Ohio Barbarian
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      @willyt Look, you posted an article with which I disagreed. I said the article was “liberal bullshit, IMO.” The article, not you.  I don’t remember the article off the top of my head, I think it was from Salon, and I said in my opinion it was liberal bullshit.

      Probably focused on some social or identity politics issue and using that as a moralistic bludgeon to try to vote-shame leftists who won’t vote for Biden, but I don’t recall it for sure. There’s liberal bullshit, conservative bullshit, libertarian bullshit, even socialist bullshit.

      For me, voting for a politician who is unwilling to do anything to improve the material conditions of, as Nina Turner says, “the working class and barely middle class,” is just not going to happen. Anyone who tells me, not to mention many people in those classes as well as over half of everyone under 45, is spouting bullshit as far as I am concerned. That’s what I meant about the article.

      Many liberals are more upper middle class, live in nice suburbs, and don’t consider my family’s and community’s living standards an important issue. For them, keeping abortion legal or overt expressions of racism or gay rights or #Cause of the Week are higher priorities. If they want me to vote for their candidates, they need to convince me those candidates are going to do something for me and mine.

      Most of them don’t think they should even have to attempt to do that, and tell me I’m a horrible or a privileged person when I stick to my demands, so my response is that they and their worthless political party can fuck right off. That is where I am coming from.

      I work for a human services agency, in a call center no less. If there’s anyone on this board who knows what it’s like to go to work every day and go through what you are experiencing, it’s me. I know how tough it can be to deal with a frustrated, scared, and angry public, and only be able to help so many so much, and others not at all. I get that. I also get just how critically important unemployment compensation is–hell, my own stepson is waiting for his first check right now; fortunately, he has a forgiving landlord, moi. 

      We are both public servants on the front lines of this pandemic, and probably have a lot in common. I have absolutely nothing against you personally. Just, if you don’t like what I have to say, tell me directly and tell me why. That’s all.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #305186
      Earthartist
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      JonLP

      I don’t want to speak for Ohio but my experience in the climate movement as well as the XR movement  in the US, is they became more about social justice and less about getting anything done about climate. For me having spent my life in both movements, it felt like it was politically driven. You were shamed or kicked out if you didn’t agree with what was happening. For me it was also false care. Our XR group imploded because a few people wanted to stay focused on the Environment  as the British did. The rest off the group called these people racist I was the host of the meetings and had to walk away from the ugliness, I also watched the same thing with Wa state sierra club and the other big greens. They used race as a way to stop events it was crazy! What drove this  with sierra I believe is was money. Bloomberg money, he was all about Fracking and tar sands  so the sierra club would not let us go to the big protest in Anacortes to stop the enlarging of an oil facility. The excuse was it was not being run by a diverse coalition. You know who was the head of the whole protest? The tribes! From all over Canada the US and central and South America! With XR US I think it was politics and a way to prevent XR from growing.

      I think what makes me supper angry about this behavior is how easily people walk in lock step, with out thinking. With XR I tried to mediate but one of the guys in it was just a classic blue no matter who kinda guy upper middle class and their was no dealing with him.  I was really frustrated because I have been trying to get Democrats to stop trashing rural folks.  Another democratic tactic,  one we can not afford to use. In my journeys around the West from Alaska canada mexico WA OR CAL UT NE ID CO MT.  I have stayed on ranches campgrounds homes and have been helped out by so many people a long the way.  Almost all of us believe in certain things, I have yet to meet anyone who does not believe in quality public Ed even if they home school. Healthcare, their families and communities and their environment. Yet democrats are so willing to denigrate rural people so sure they are all trumpers.  Their is a miss understanding between the rural and city folks that could be ended if we talked to each other. The same goes for other races and cultures as well as sexual orientations, but honestly the powers in both parties do not want us to talk to each other at all, it would screw up their hate fest.  The funny thing about that guy in our XR group he is now on face book telling everyone we have to vote for the racist, rapist, anti environmental Biden!

      An interesting thing about these journeys is I have yet to meet a rancher or farmer who is not well aware that the climate is changing for them it is frightening. I traveled through Alaska 22 years ago and everyone talked about how cold it used to be!

      So the long way to get to what you asked is racism is alive and well in both parties one is more under raps then the other.  Inequality is so wrapped up in republican Democratic policies as is racism sexism and homophobia.  We need to call it out when we see it and make it who we are always. But we also need to acknowledge that the parties love to manipulate us and a lot of people buy into it. Corporations along with the parties use any and all hot bed issues to keep us at each other’s throats..

       

      Earthartist

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