Iceberg larger than Los Angeles breaks off of Antarctica

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    Ohio Barbarian
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    (The Hill) An iceberg larger than the city of Los Angeles has reportedly broken off of Antarctica’s Amery Ice Shelf.

    According to CNN, scientists at the Australian Antarctic Program, Institute for Marine and Antarctic Studies and the Scripps Institution of Oceanography made the discovery last Thursday.

    The iceberg reportedly spans roughly 632 square miles and contains 315 billion tons of ice. It is reportedly the largest piece of ice to have separated from the shelf in over 100 years.

    Scientists began tracking developments at the shelf roughly two decades ago, after signs of a major split began to emerge.

    Full story here. Remember, this is all a Chinese hoax!

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  • #171346

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    Hi ob,

    Events like this will only increase in frequency each and every year.  Such is the nature of global climate warming induced by ever increasing CO2 emissions.  And despite all we are told there will be no technology to save us from ourselves less we begin the process of managing a systematic “de-growth” of Western industrial civilization.

    See post 171192 at the link below.

    Misogyny, male rage and the words men use to describe Greta Thunberg

    TAT

     

    "They must find it difficult ... Those who have taken authority as the truth,
    Rather than truth as the authority."
    - Gerald Massey

    "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
    - Jiddu Krishnamurti

    “Wisdom tells me I am nothing.  Love tells me I am everything. And between the two my life flows."
    - Nisargadatta Maharaj

    • #171428

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      @thouartthat I know it will keep happening, and I read your reply. I don’t agree with you that we can or will do nothing to avert total extinction. Neither one of us is omniscient. Difficult to see is the future. At least I know if I am ever in need of a dose of misanthropy, all I have to do is read one of your posts concerning climate change.

      We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

      With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

      • #171449

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        Hi ob,

        Misanthropy? No where has anyone said anything about no action being taken. In fact it is just the opposite. The only responsible action to be taken is a managed collapse of Western industrial civilization. That action will require all hands on deck. Please explain how that is misanthropy?

        If one can speculate, it seems that you still believe in the myth of progress and that technology will rush to save us. Quite the contrary is true. Please do some research instead of parroting techno-porn talking points.

        TAT

         

        "They must find it difficult ... Those who have taken authority as the truth,
        Rather than truth as the authority."
        - Gerald Massey

        "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
        - Jiddu Krishnamurti

        “Wisdom tells me I am nothing.  Love tells me I am everything. And between the two my life flows."
        - Nisargadatta Maharaj

        • #171566

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          @thouartthat OK, maybe it’s not misanthropy. It is gloom and doom, and you never miss a chance to lay it on thick. And I’m not parroting technoporn. I do believe in fate. I don’t expect you or anyone else to, but if it’s our fate to come out of this, we will. If not, we’re dead. That’s all there is to it. I prefer to believe we can, because I have kids and stepkids. You don’t. Our perspectives are different.

          We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

          With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

          • #171631

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            Hi ob,

            Yet you want to ‘shoot the messenger” rather than address real facts.  This behavior is not unique to you.  However, it is tiresome in the face of the dilemma faced by humanity.  Show me where and how you disagree with the three climate scientists cited: Kevin Anderson, Hugh Hunt and Tim Garrett.  They each provided valuable insight and information.  My role is merely connecting the dots.

            Wanting a better world for your children and grand children is also understandable.  And in that regard, facing the  future squarely instead of hiding behind hopium and non-existent technology would be the more honest and honorable approach to the crisis.

            And as a anti-capitalist, one would expect that toppling the “Global Company Store” would be high on your agenda.

            That said, from this perspective, you and others are clearly threatened by the real prospect of what that means and how it would reshape the world we both presently occupy.  It is as if you and others want to “have your cake and eat it to” as the phrase goes.  My response would be what part of CO2 emissions going steadily North of 400 PPM without a technical fix in sight doesn’t one understand?  Clearly some piece of the puzzle has yet to sink into the gray matter.

            What has become clear to this “dot connector” is one way or another Western industrial civilization is going down.  That collapse can either be managed and orchestrated or chaotic and brutal.  Which path would your children and grand children prefer?

            TAT

             

             

            "They must find it difficult ... Those who have taken authority as the truth,
            Rather than truth as the authority."
            - Gerald Massey

            "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
            - Jiddu Krishnamurti

            “Wisdom tells me I am nothing.  Love tells me I am everything. And between the two my life flows."
            - Nisargadatta Maharaj

            • #171731

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              @thouartthat Managed, of course, but I don’t believe we have to give up electricity and go back to preindustrial times. If you don’t either, then I am misunderstanding you. I do not believe that capitalism can be the dominant economic system in order for our civilization to survive. Frankly, I’m not even sure representative government can do it, but I hope it can, and it is the younger generation that provides that hope.

              The only sure technical fix, as I see it, is fusion power, if that can be harnessed. I believe it can be, simply because I can conceive of it. It is theoretically possible, but it won’t happen so long as those whose wealth and power depend on other sources of energy remain  in power.

              We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

              With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

              • #171842

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                Hi ob,

                No one ever suggested that research and development should end, least of all Professor Kevin Anderson.  His point is that placing faith in speculative technologies is a fools errand in the face of what Climate Change will bring.  His further point is that the precautionary principle leads to us to err on the side of caution.  If we expect speculative technology to exist that does not materialize then we are well and truly screwed.

                Unlike yourself, I see no reason to expect that fusion power will ever become feasible in my lifetime.  Ever since I was a boy it was always twenty years away.  No difference from today.  It is still twenty years away.  Nonetheless, I have no problem with research continuing in the off chance that some breakthrough might occur.  That said, the wisest course of action is to act as if it never materializes.

                With respect to how much de-growth is necessary to re-balance CO2 to safe levels, that is an open and very good question.  And within that question what level of technology would be prudent to plan for is also an open and good question.  However, what is abundantly clear, no scenario that embraces business as usual or even flat economic growth at the present scale of Western industrial civilization will preclude the onward rise of atmospheric CO2.  And in that upward trajectory is an earth becoming ever more inhospitable to not only human life but all life.

                TAT

                "They must find it difficult ... Those who have taken authority as the truth,
                Rather than truth as the authority."
                - Gerald Massey

                "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
                - Jiddu Krishnamurti

                “Wisdom tells me I am nothing.  Love tells me I am everything. And between the two my life flows."
                - Nisargadatta Maharaj

  • #171366

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    Fake News!!!   It was probably a staged event backed by (take your picks)  The CIA, KGB, George Soros, EcoNazis, Democrats, Greens, PTA, or Greta Thunberg.

    It certainly has nothing to do with fake climate change.

    Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

  • #171376

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    Nothing to see here, move along folks!

  • #171522

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    Before assuming this is climate-change related, please note (from the article):

    (Scripps glaciologist Helen Amanda Fricker) … doesn’t believe the event “is linked to climate change” but is rather a “part of the ice shelf’s normal cycle, where we see major calving events every 60-70 years.”

    “I am excited to see this calving event after all these years. We knew it would happen eventually, but just to keep us all on our toes, it is not exactly where we expected it to be,” Fricker said.

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