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    • #497905
      Average Gazoo
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      SUBJECT: I’m DESPERATE, Mom

      Mom, did you see this?!?

      FIRST: I got a $300 traffic ticket because I forgot about alternate side parking.

      THEN: I saw this really cute shirt and it was $95, but that’s actually a good deal because I’m definitely going to wear it a lot.

      NOW: Rent is due, and according to my most recent calculations, we’re about $395 short.

      Mom, we don’t have a moment to spare. I’m asking—no, BEGGING—for you to chip in ASAP. If every parent reading this email contributes just $197.50 by midnight, we can defend the shirt I just bought from being returned this November.

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      They nailed the tone and attitude.

      Lots more at the link including:

      SUBJECT: I’ve had it, Dad (confirm polio vaccine by midnight?)

      SUBJECT: Aunt Shelley does NOT want you to read this

      SUBJECT: BREAKING: Nate Silver says (our) WISCONSIN (Dells trip) is A TOSS-UP???

      https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/if-i-emailed-my-parents-like-democrats-email-me

      Be the Change

    • #497937
      closeupready
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      I’m at the point now where I reason to myself, if you (in general) don’t care about yourself, I don’t care about you, either. If you continue to fall for these lies and this grifting, then you deserve what you get. Nobody is that stupid that they fall for this forever. People figure things out, and yet, they refuse to defend themselves by doing things differently. Whether that’s because they are simply fearful of change, or they profit from the corruption, who knows, who cares.

      For example, Ukraine needs another $37 BILLION of US taxpayer money, Joe Biden is demanding of Congress. Why does Ukraine need $37 billion? Because peace talks would cost more! (I guess.)

      The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

    • #497938
      Hobbit709
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      From that point on they all end up in my spam folder and I empty that out about once a week.

      I don't waste my time teaching pigs to sing.

    • #497971
      chknltl
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      For example, at one point in my life I was proud to say that I am a Democrat.

      It took a few major backstabbings by the Democratic Party in order for me to admit that I was wrong.

      No, I did not switch Parties but realizing my wrongness, I hopped on the Bernie bandwagon.

      Waste of my money later, I realized that I was wrong yet again.

      Now then, to my question, (or point), I have friends who swear fealty to their party.  These are educated friends with college degrees!

      We even see this phenomenon here at JPR where a very educated lawyer posts arguments for “Blue No Matter Who” or “Why trust the Russians not to break any treaties with Ukraine?”

      While I disagree with this fellow member, I hold his opinions in the highest regards! I consider him head and shoulders smarter than me!

      Here is another example:

      Prior to JPR going down, we had some fierce debates over the Covid mandates here.

      Even though I disagreed with the mandate supporters, these were all my fellow members, folks I paid very close attention to and listened to quite carefully.

      My respect for them has not changed. In all likelihood I could have been wrong! On that particular topic my paradigm has not changed but I still hold those I disagreed with in the highest regards.

      Here is a last example:

      When first I came here, I had a big chip on my shoulder regarding depleted uranium poisoning.

      While I didn’t  know it at the time, I was wrong and one of my favorite members, a man no longer with us, proved me wrong!

      That was a bitter pill to swallow but without a doubt this man was WAY more educated on the topic and due to our debates my paradigm was shifted.

      I’m nobody special but I can not understand how educated folks can often defend the undefensible when in truth they should have more than ample brain cells to see the errors in their paradigm(s) as they unfold….

      ….and yet many of these highly educated people “just keep on keepin’ on” with their arguments regardless of how hard reality clobbers their arguments.

      From my second example, when my arguments were shown to be highly erroneous, instead of continuing to debate an extremely knowledgeable fellow member on a topic where he was light-years ahead of me on,  I changed my paradigm to fit his.

      In other words, I could now see where my original paradigm was wrong.

      In debates, I confess that sometimes my patience runs out to the point of being insulting. I pick up something small, hold it up before them then drop it.

      “See that?,” I ask, “It’s called gravity!” “I have no way to prove that gravity exists nor can I refute someone who refuses to recognize gravity because my degree is in Anthropology not in Physics!”

      “For that matter, I can hardly argue Marxism, Capitalism or modern geopolitics but like gravity,  I can see their results!”

      So until someone comes along and changes my paradigm regarding gravity, I plan on respecting the hell out of it!

      I wish others would….before we render this planet uninhibited by humanity.

      (More of an opinion than a question)

       

       

       

       

       

      • #497976
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        I have been working on a book with a friend and we are trying to get it done before early 2023 because next year is the “400th anniversary of Shakespeare’s First Folio”. The book debunks the Shakespeare narrative and focuses most specifically on the so-called first folio and how it evolved from Ben Johnson’s folio and the Pavier quartos and had nothing to do with Heminges and Condell. Books are tougher than online discussions because you lay out your entire argument and then it has to sink or swim without you to steer it. The nice thing about an online or face to face discussion is you can tailor your argument based on reactions.

        To model some of our tone and approach I looked at lectures given by people who were going in front of fairly hostile audiences and how they dealt with that to see what I could learn. For example Christopher Hitchens lectured at a Christian college.

        A couple of things stuck with me from this part of our research:

        Certainty is an emotion. A feeling of self satisfaction and, often, superiority. Yet it is the opposite of what Buddhists call ‘Beginner Mind.’ It is a state of ignorance in the sense that it shuts out new facts or anything that would make the person uncomfortable (or humble).

        Akin to that is “You can’t use facts to persuade a person out of a position that they did not arrive at via facts.” In other words if a person adopted their position based on emotions or illogic (such as Appeal to Authority) then facts will not impact them.

        Personally, I like a good debate and believe that we can learn more from those who disagree with us than those who agree. I’m naturally less of a cheerleader than strategist so I always look for what the other side is getting right (as well as what they get wrong). I have learned that there are many groups that are hostile to any discussion of strategy. Often what we learn from those we disagree with is not that we were wrong but rather how to present our argument in a more air-tight and persuasive way.

        Be the Change

      • #498000
        jbnw
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        of why I like JPR.

        People here have opinions AND open minds!

        Thank you, @chknltl !

    • #497982
      chknltl
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      Outside of being forced to read Tolkien in high school, I have utterly no literature background.

      (I suck at math even moreso but I can at least read your book and perhaps even understand it and besides it might be an autographed copy!)

      I had heard of being “right” as a survival mechanism but as to being an emotion ….hmmm I think my therapist would say that you’ve just described me!

      The VA  has provided me with some great mental health therapiststs over the decades but this latest one may be my favorite.

      I sadly had two, back to back sessions with her where I strongly disagreed with her on the topics of vaccinations and the U.S. position in Ukraine.

      For the first time ever things got heated. I saw the fire in her eyes as she pointed out that every one of my arguments had an equal counter argument.

      “If we are about to die from a nuclear war, what are you doing to prevent it?”, she asked.

      “Exactly what we are doing right now-talking to my fellow citizens about it!”, I responded.

      “Has it occured to you that you have way to large an emotional investment in this or a great many other topics we have discussed over the years?” She asked.

      In a sense, my therapist was right. In a broader sense, we were both right but as you’ve just pointed out, Average Gazoo, we both had an emotional stake in our positions-hence our disagreements).

      With your permission, I will bring this point up at our next therapy session and request methods for me to remove my own emotions from our discussions and focus instead on my mental health.

      (FWIW,  I was an “army brat”, my father moved us from army base to army base every 3 years.

      I knew, wherever we were stationed, that we were close to or on a strategic nuclear target.

      My therapy sessions are at the VA Medical center at American Lake.

      About 30 miles to the east is a Trident Submarine base, just north of that is Bremerton Naval Shipyards, just across the freeway from the VA hospital is Joint Base Lewis McCord.

      In other words, our therapy sessions are quite literally on Ground Zero! For this reason I find myself in almost constant fear of seeing the flash before all hell breaks loose.

      A further, concern are for the children and their young parents who might survive.)

       

       

       

       

      • #498079
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        I have two other books ahead of it — both are nonfiction on the entertainment/sports industry. The first of which is just about over the finish line, finally.

        I came to the Shakespeare debate during my research into Henry Hudson (about whom almost nothing is know for sure). Both of these mythical Brits are coined in the early days of English publishing. Hudson was made into the English version of Columbus. Shakespeare is a pseudonym but the myth grew and needed a real person so they found one in Stratford. It is a fascinating look into nationalism and how our relationship to patriotism is wrapped up in how we see ourselves.

        The bigger our personal investment or stake in something, the more we want certainty. An article in Psychology Today includes:

        The algorithms skillfully implemented in social media and search engines provide validation for any opinion on anything. The hunger for validation itself reveals the paradox of certainty. The more certain many people feel, the more validation they seem to require. Validation seems necessary when we’re insecure about our beliefs, opinions, and prejudices. Self-doubt is typically covered up with anger and attempts to devalue others.

        https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/anger-in-the-age-entitlement/202109/the-epidemic-certainty

        The antidote is to embrace uncertainty and critical thinking even if it makes us uncomfortable. I love the first 10 minutes of this lecture because what she lays out applies quite broadly, not just to a subject as snobby and academic as Shakespeare often is. Beyond the ten minute mark it IS heavily academic and specific.

        Be the Change

    • #497995
      closeupready
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      I’m talking about hundreds of billions of $$$ spent each year on “defense”/war. If your wealth depended upon this kind of spending (an amount of money spent towards US defense, which is an amount larger than the GDP of most countries in the world), then why would you be inclined to – just for example – trust Russia NOT to break treaties with Ukraine (as any competent, good faith negotiator would have to if they were prepared to start negotiations)?

      If your wealth depended on the Ukraine war, you’d DISTRUST Russia on everything, and support … duh … more war. And that describes legions of people. Like Democratic elected officials with investments in defense contractors – and, by extension, anyone whose own success hinges upon the success of these elected officials.

      The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

      • #497999
        chknltl
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        I voted against Patry Murray.

        She has her fingers in all of our military bases nearby as well as the folks who pay her to be like that.

        I didn’t know if Tiffany Smiley, (her opponent), would have been worse or better but at least Smiley does not have the same political power that Patty Murray has.

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