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    • #280082
      David the Gnome
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      Then dont give up completely.  Working within the system was only one way to a possible victory.  There are others.  Let us work together instead to help build the next occupy movement.  Let us get together to fight for the issues that we share with Bernie.  Let’s show them a social revolution too.

      Boycott, strike, civil disobedience.  Let our passion and our desperation enable us to stand up, to get out there and tell them to their faces that we know they are crooks who control the system, but it doesnt fucking matter – because we are more.

      Let’s get tents, Van’s, buses, everything we can to get to the National convention and make our voices heard.  If you are with me, hit me up with a PM, get the word out.  Let’s begin.

    • #280097
      PTTP
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      Too much negativity.  Social media is much better and prepared to continue the good fight for Sanders all the way.

      JPR, get it together.

      PowerToThePeople!  Bernie or Bust 2020!

    • #280098
      Coyote
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      This is going to get worse before it gets better.  Those rats and snakes in the DNC aren’t going to give up power easily.  We shouldn’t give in so easy either (or ever).

    • #280105
      daleanime
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      give up and you might as well jump off a cliff.  Not in my nature.

      When the going gets tough, the tough help each other.

    • #280122
      Ohio Barbarian
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      Tell you what. If Bernie will be going into the convention with the plurality of votes and delegates, I’ll go. Even if he isn’t, I might, but I’m not going to promise that right now.

      I’ve always wanted to be part of something historical. If nothing else, they’ll hear us roar.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

    • #280131
      whispers
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    • #280133
      xyzse
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      I gave hope on the expectation of winning a while back.  As is, what has been accomplished thus far is remarkable.

    • #280137
      roody
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      whole life. Embrace the struggle. Start phone banking, etc. for Bernie. Make plans to protest in the streets in July.

    • #280139
      Cold Mountain Trail
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    • #280141
      David the Gnome
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      @pttp

      JPR is not a negative place.  A lot of our members are struggling with some very difficult things – our political views are often formed by life experience and ours has not been easy.  Yes, some times we get down, angry or depressed, that doesnt give you the right to judge and tell us to “get it together”.

      By all means, if you find genuine displays of emotion to be “negative” then do as you will – as you will anyway.

      But dont judge us, dude.

      • #280144
        PolecatHollerer
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        If you give a man enough rope, it will be six inches too short. This is not the nature of rope- it is the nature of man.

    • #280143
      bazukhov
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      In 1980, President Jimmy Carter went into the convention having won the majority of delegates over Senator Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts, who had challenged him during the primary. But Mr. Kennedy would not accept defeat. At the convention, he and his operatives moved to persuade delegates to leave Mr. Carter, arguing that delegates should be free to switch allegiances.

      “It was wild, totally, totally wild,” said Ms. Kamarck, who was a 30-year-old party employee at the time. “It was an all-out assault on President Carter by Senator Kennedy.”

      Delegations broke out into arguments on the floor. One Kennedy supporter marched to the lectern to scream at a Carter operative when credentials for Kennedy supporters failed to arrive. The sergeant-at-arms had to separate them, Ms. Kamarck recalled.

      Finally, Mr. Kennedy abandoned the effort — but humiliated Mr. Carter toward the end of the convention. Mr. Carter wanted the senator to join him onstage so they could hold hands as a sign of unity.

      Instead, Mr. Kennedy forced the president to wait at the lectern while he glad-handed on the floor. He finally joined Mr. Carter onstage and shook his hand coolly.

      Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

      • #280172
        ravensong
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        enough to engage in mass direct action, I am fully committed.

        Was engaged with Occupy from start to finish.

        Mass General Strike and Boycott, damn the torpedoes, I’m in.  Can’t do it alone.

        Give me liberty, or give me death, but not going there unless enough people show up to make it worth my time and effort.

        End of story.

        (Sorry, bazhukov, posted this in wrong place)

        “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

        The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
        ~ Unknown

    • #280160
      RobertFromNC
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      Agree on all of that. We need to do all of those things. I would also argue that we should be placing much more emphasis on citizen initiated ballot initiatives, referendums, and direct democracy in general. Progressives ideas more often than not win at the ballot box, even in red states where progressive politicians are not as popular, and especially considering the fact that we can’t rely on elected officials anyway. Not every state, including mine, has this option, but we should be working to expand it and ballot initiatives were actually first introduced in this country in the first progressive era a hundred years ago by progressives for the same reason.

    • #280380
      Bernice Ta
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      I’m down, but not out quite yet. I said I was Bernie or bust, and I’m going to give him to the end. I owe him that.

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