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  • Stockholmer (4574 posts)
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    If you're on the racist, fascist, tribalist, wannabe genocidal side of Israeli

    zionists, then:

     

     

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    • Bluesuedeshoes (2586 posts)
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      1. I must agree

    • Doremus Jessup (3957 posts)
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      2. Yep!

      Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity. End ALL occupations and bring the troops home.
    • 99Forever (4532 posts)
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      3. Precisely.

    • so far from heaven (18376 posts)
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      4. My, how juvenile can one get?

      Surely you can do better than this!

      By the way, depending on how a person actually reads this, it could be interpreted as a broad-brush attack against the people of Israel as a whole, which is not only juvenile, it’s totally wrong and stupid. I’m relatively sure that there is a considerable fraction of the citizens of Israel that are as against what is happening as you seem to be.

      Wouldn’t it be better if you actually researched the part of Israels population opposed to the current administrations policies and report on how they are actively fighting this?

      I assume you can actually do real research, you know, the unbiased and objective kind of thingy.

       "When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx.
      • roguevalley (2544 posts)
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        6. take out Israel and Palastine and put usa and

        And anyone else. No ohe is exempt, fellow cunts, unless you think all America supports our own terrorism?

        Be love. Be light. Fear is the only darkness. Love is the only light.
      • Stockholmer (4574 posts)
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        7. I profoundly reject you calling it a broad brush attack

        It’s the fucking pure truth.

        • 99Forever (4532 posts)
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          10. This is the exact same defense every defender of institutionalized terror makes.

          “They aren’t all bad.”

          I disagree. Just because someone isn’t an active, sadistic bully, but is willing to let the active, sadistic bullies do their dirty work for them, doesn’t absolve them of the personal responsibility of the evil done in their name.

          So yes, they are ALL bad until they stop allowing the evil to continue.

          • roguevalley (2544 posts)
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            17. if 'they are ALL bad until they stop allowing the

            evil to continue’, what have you done about the torturer that was confirmed? What did you do about Iraq ad nauseum. Does that relate to us, all of us or is this just against the ugliness happening in Israel now? What about us bombing the slag out of Syria? Why the vitriol against one and not against all? That’s the problem here. Picking a dueling point without really looking around. We have no more moral authority to point fingers than they do.

            Be love. Be light. Fear is the only darkness. Love is the only light.
          • so far from heaven (18376 posts)
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            32. So, you make the claim that all blacks are bad

            and all the whites that try to help them are bad?

            Defend such a statement.

             "When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx.
            • 99Forever (4532 posts)
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              35. Don't put fucking words in my mouth.

              Israelis judge ALL of Islam by the actions of a few.

              You fucking defend that.

              Tit for tat.

              • so far from heaven (18376 posts)
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                45. Simple.

                It simply isn’t true.

                Your statement is utterly false.

                 "When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx.
            • peacecorps (4889 posts)
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              44. People who are unable to stop their own government’s actions are not evil

              themselves.

              You and I are not guilty when we are unable to stop our own government’s evil policies. There are many good Israelis, good Americans, good Chinese, good Russians, etc. even though all governments do things we find abhorrent.

              To assert that all people in any country are evil is juvenile and not progressive. Let fascists stereotype races and nationalities as all bad, lazy, evil, etc.

              • so far from heaven (18376 posts)
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                46. Exactly.

                 "When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx.
              • ThomPaine (5715 posts)
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                49. Well said.

      • BillZBubb (3144 posts)
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        11. I assume you can actually read and comprehend.

        There is a list of pre-conditions before the conclusion. There is nothing juvenile about it.

        However, nit-picking when you don’t agree with someone is juvenile.

         

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        • so far from heaven (18376 posts)
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          33. Like this???

          The way in which one presents a conclusion can be utterly juvenile. Like this one.

          Sorry, but that’s just the way the world works. Nobody pays attention to off the wall bullshit like this. Nobody that matters anyway.

           "When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx.
        • so far from heaven (18376 posts)
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          48. What is there to agree with, or not agree with?

          That’s the problem.

          It’s meaningless spewing of hatred that has no real meaning nor any usable message and concludes with a 3 year old rant.

           "When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx.
      • HawkeyeX (1212 posts)
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        12. I'm pro-Israel. Why are the people falling for Palestinian propaganda

        the propaganda machine has captured the JPR’s into the “apartheid” mode against Israel.

        Problem is, Israel isn’t an apartheid country, because they allow for minorities to live in Israel, including Arabs.

        The propaganda from the Hamas are teaching that Israel = bad, Palestinians = good, and fail to understand that Palestine and its allied Arabs attacked Israel in 1967. Israel won, and are *STILL* allowed to defend their territory from aggressors. It’s the international law.

        I agree that Likudniks have controlled the government for far too long and needs a fucking change and Bibi needs to be in prison. It’s time to head left, and dump the Likudniks like a bad potato.

        • Ohio Barbarian (9071 posts)
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          13. There are Arab citizens of Israel, true. Just like there were some black

          freedmen and even a few Native Americans who could vote before the Civil War. That does not change the fact that most Palestinian Arabs are confined to areas to which they have obtained permission from the Israeli authorities. Gaza is very much like a huge Warsaw ghetto. 2 million people crammed into that tiny strip of land in such horrible conditions that the UN calls it an open prison. The descendants of the Holocaust survivors have learned precisely the wrong lessons from the Nazis, and they deserve to be condemned for it. Most of the world agrees with me on this point.

          No people deserves that, and Israel is the direct cause of that. Israel is also right down there with the United States when it comes to inequality of wealth, and that does not even include the Palestinians, and they are governed by a corrupt, fascistic regime, just like we are. How much does it take for supporters of Israel to see this? Does Netanyahu have to put on an armband before you see the obvious parallels?

          Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
          • Earth artist (948 posts)
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            38. How many

            homes are taken by settlers, how many olive groves, how many sisters, how many jobs, how many brothers, fathers and mothers, before people like Hawkeye, see the connection to germany and The complacency of the people behind the hitler horror. This one is a lost soul clearly. He/she only sees what Netanyahoo wants. I quess the rest of the world besides the US and Britten are all falling for propaganda from JPR and of course RT. Fuck Isreal

        • roguevalley (2544 posts)
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          18. they are going to kick out their black population

          they penned up their Palestinian population. They have terrible policies that are killing and driving into ruin an entire people. They shot a man in a wheelchair throwing rocks. The youngest killed thus far is eight years old. Why are you defending the merciless murder of these people? Why are you defending the wall they have to live behind, the poverty and disease that is running rampant and the wanton shooting of the people? You can love that country and many of us do. You can be a part of the country and many of us are. But this is fucked and to defend Israel right now is to enable genocide. Nothing was learned from their history and they are repeating it. I tell you that as a woman whose grandma was Jewish. I love Israel but not now. This is against God and decency.  This is too much like what we did to the native Americans here. Murder is murder. Period.

          Be love. Be light. Fear is the only darkness. Love is the only light.
        • Carolina (486 posts)
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          20. Hamas propaganda?

          Gee:

          I didn’t know that the US media supported Hamas

          I didn’t know that there was a Hamas equivalent to AIPAC

          I didn’t know that we/the US gave Hamas billions of US tax dollars along with weaponry

          I didn’t know that the Hamas equivalent of Netanyahu spoke to our Congress or had the ear of POTUS

          The land that was Palestine before 1948 has been relentlessly and violently usurped by Israeli ‘settlers’ not unlike what Europeans did to Native Americans in this country. Homes, occupied homes, bulldozed and the people treated like vermin. Israel is a bully nation,  aided and abetted by the biggest bully on the planet (US).

          Meanwhile, Flint still doesn’t have clean water

        • nevereVereven (4838 posts)
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          21. Your revisionist apologia is nothing less than revolting to me.

          Israel just shot over 2000 people, and you’re complaining about “Palestinian propaganda”.

          Israel is a brutal apartheid state by every measure of the term.

          A hologram of a magnifying glass will also function as a magnifying glass, but a hologram of Sherlock Holmes won't solve anything.  
        • Peace Patriot (3766 posts)
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          22. You're citing "international law" in defense of Israel?

          Lol!

          And you’re calling us a “propaganda machine”?

          Double Lol!

        • eridani (4633 posts)
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          23. A couple of pro-Israel and pro-peace organizations to consider supporting.

          https://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/

          Jewish Voice for Peace works for justice, equality and dignity for all in Israel/Palestine. The best way you can learn more about what’s happening in Gaza and take action is to become a member and take these 5 steps:
          1. Demand that Israel stops using lethal force against protestors.

          2. See JVP resources and events commemorating 70 years of Nakba.

          3. Learn these 6 important facts about the Great Return March

          4. Share information using our Facing the Nakba curriculum.

          5. Act locally by joining a local JVP chapter.

          http://jstreet.org/

          J Street organizes and mobilizes pro-Israel, pro-peace Americans who want Israel to be secure, democratic and the national home of the Jewish people. Working in American politics and the Jewish community, we advocate policies that advance shared US and Israeli interests as well as Jewish and democratic values, leading to a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

           

           

           

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        • cascadiance (3494 posts)
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          24. That's sort of like saying that whites allowed black Africans in South Africa…

          Black Africans are more of a native tribe of South Africa than whites, but they both have a history there.  Both Jewish and Palestinian populations have a history living in and controlling at various times what is now called the state of Israel with these “occupied” areas.

          Some may call the comment at the top incendiary, but it is the kind of discussion that is happening in many parts of this country now.  Just a couple of weeks ago at our monthly county PCP meeting, we had a big verbal fight over what was put in a county platform plank on its level of support for BDS.  Not quite going to name calling, but the behavior of everyone was certainly as divided as it is in other places now, especially after these shootings that had happened AFTER our meeting then.

          Sometimes its hard to reach a solution everyone can agree on, when even the county chair was playing games at silencing certain people in the way they were making comments at the meeting as somehow being out of order by some weird interpretation of Robert’s rules.

          I think what we need to make clear as a point of common ground is perhaps not to go all the way and endorse too much slapping down of Israel, but we should put our FOOT DOWN NOW, and say to Israel that if you REALLY want to continue to be our primary recipient of military aid, you should stop this CRAP immediately, and find a way to treat all of those living natively in your country with equal rights and protection, and not go after some group geographically for the religious alignments.  We as American taxpayers should REFUSE to continue to allow more of our money to be spent on your state conducting this sort of behavior in an UNDEMOCRATIC way that our country shouldn’t support philosophically.  We supported you from being torn up by the Nazi’s in WWII as a resident population in Germany and their occupied states, which was an honorable thing to do and I would stand against any anti-semite that says we shouldn’t have done so then.  But, you should follow that paradigm and treat Palestinians with decent laws and rules and their enforcement, or you can do that ON YOUR OWN without our help doing so!

           

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      • Salemcourt (1031 posts)
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        15. This is the type of person who says that

        Not all Nazis are bad, jut like Trump did during the KKK march.

        • so far from heaven (18376 posts)
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          34. I didn't say any such thing at all.

          Emotions seem to make some read that which doesn’t exist between lines of clear thought.

           "When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx.
          • Salemcourt (1031 posts)
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            36. Exactly your attitude to the original post

            • Grimaldi (164 posts)
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              50. Thank you Salemcourt, completely agree

              but be careful with this one, protected here.

            • BillZBubb (3144 posts)
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              52. Absolutely.

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      • TRex (4487 posts)
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        41. I do believe the OP mentioned Israeli zionists.

        Which is a certain group of people with an agenda, but hey why not pretend words were written that never were there! Broad brush much yourself?

        Oh sweety, no just no, when I or those of us here talk about the ultra rich - it is NOT you! Not you by a longshot, oh my God did you think...no way you actually thought we meant you? Lord, this country is full of rich stupid people and you seem to be one of the worst. No sweety, you are just a low paid pawn to those ultra rich we talk about. They are wrecking the world, you are an enabler and I understand not being able to sleep at night. I wouldn't either, selling out our future. You have kids right?  
    • PFunk1 (1524 posts)
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      5. Count me in on this one.

      And it’s not juvenile to agree with this.

    • Ohio Barbarian (9071 posts)
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      8. I understand how you feel, although I wouldn't put it QUITE that way.

      I put it this way:

      https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/israel-becomes-fascist-iraq-elects-a-shiitecommunist-coalition-strange-days/

      Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
    • Ohio Barbarian (9071 posts)
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      9. I thought about it before I recommended it. You basically summarized this

      editorial; happily from an American source:

      http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/05/15/pers-m15.html

      Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
    • Crawling Chaos (35 posts)
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      14. You are correct Stockholmer

      And I don’t feel like sugar-coating it either.

    • Salemcourt (1031 posts)
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      16. So accurate and to the point! See the map.

      http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mapstellstory.html

    • LEFTYFRIZZLE (28 posts)
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      19. shooting fish in a barrel

      The slaughter yesterday in Gaza will be a black eye for Israel and the US for many years,I know I will NEVER look at Israel with rose colored lenses again they have shown themselves in the same light as the NAZIS with the slaughter of UNARMED protesters. And the SHITSHOW that was the moving of the US embassy was a sad affair with the US looking like Great Britain in the movie Gandhi. The sight of the US rightwing nutjobs celebrating while 60 miles away the  Israels were having a” turkey shoot ”  in  Gaza is sicking

      CUNT sums it up,couldnt agree more ..well done

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      • cascadiance (3494 posts)
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        25. And perhaps Erdogan wouldn't be in power without the gaza flotilla…

        … that Israel provoked happening that Erdogan helped put together to help Palestinians in Gaza.  One of the few good things he did for the folks in Turkey, and now they are on the verge of losing their Democracy there too!  If it hadn’t been for the Gaza flotilla and other similar circumstances that Israel gave Erdogan “opportunities” with, perhaps Turkey would have been rid of Erdogan by now too!

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        • MistaP (8488 posts)
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          37. Erdogan also broke the back of the Army establishment that repeatedly

          incinerated Turkey’s democracy in the name of a slavishly Westernizing ideology that had failed by the 1930s; this establishment also protected far-right groups, including the one that shot the pope; without that mess Turkey’s freakish neoliberal Islamism would be dead letter

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    • As Seen on the Internet (689 posts)
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      26. Yes you are

    • TIME TO PANIC (729 posts)
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      27. How the fuck can anyone disagree?

      "We Tortured Some Folks" - Barack Obama
    • TIME TO PANIC (729 posts)
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      28. How the fuck can anyone disagree

      "We Tortured Some Folks" - Barack Obama
    • TIME TO PANIC (729 posts)
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      29. How the fuck can anyone disagree

      "We Tortured Some Folks" - Barack Obama
    • TIME TO PANIC (729 posts)
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      30. How the fuck can anyone disagree

      "We Tortured Some Folks" - Barack Obama
      • TIME TO PANIC (729 posts)
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        31. I don't know why this kicked four times?

        "We Tortured Some Folks" - Barack Obama
        • Ohio Barbarian (9071 posts)
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          39. Because you could, of course.

          Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
          • TIME TO PANIC (729 posts)
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            40. It needs another kick!

            :lol:

            "We Tortured Some Folks" - Barack Obama
            • duckpin (7367 posts)
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              43. Lux Interior, indeed.

              I think he’d approve.

              Cheers!

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    • TRex (4487 posts)
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      42. I think some folks only read the titles of threads and then respond.

      You didn’t say Israeli PEOPLE, you said Israeli Zionists…BIG DIFFERENCE, at least to those of us that can read a sentence and comprehend it’s meaning.

      The first step is to remove Benny from office. He is a cancer on the national body.

      Oh sweety, no just no, when I or those of us here talk about the ultra rich - it is NOT you! Not you by a longshot, oh my God did you think...no way you actually thought we meant you? Lord, this country is full of rich stupid people and you seem to be one of the worst. No sweety, you are just a low paid pawn to those ultra rich we talk about. They are wrecking the world, you are an enabler and I understand not being able to sleep at night. I wouldn't either, selling out our future. You have kids right?  
    • Salemcourt (1031 posts)
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      51. Fresh cunt alert

      Prince William, duke of cambridge

      • Stockholmer (4574 posts)
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        53. Sod all the 'royals' wuthless rotters the lot of 'em

      • duckpin (7367 posts)
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        54. Gene Chandler, the Duke of Earl, was all right though.

        "The justness of individual land right is  not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged "
        • eridani (4633 posts)
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          55. Agreed

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