I’m not even sure I should post this, but Gonzalo Lira says “I No Longer Trust Scott Ritter”

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      jbnw
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      If you’re not following Ukraine you won’t know Gonzalo Lira, but he is a source from Ukraine in Kharkiv whose week-long disappearance raised international concern.

      Personally, I’d given up following him before that; too much was unsubstantiated vulgar opinion. And I’ve got a better source – a friend’s brother is still in Kharkiv.

      But I’m posting just as it looks like there are other underlying issues. Here’s what Scott Ritter’s wife Marina says in the comments to this video:

      As Scott Ritter’s wife, I listened to this clip with interest. Several points: 1. a modicum of gratitude from you to people like Scott and others who raised an alarm about your disappearance is in order. The whole purpose of Scott’s article was to raise awareness of your disappearance. 2. Scott did not say that you were kidnapped, tortured and murdered. He said “when reports emerged that you were kidnapped, tortured and murdered….”. You conveniently omitted Scott’s reference to these reports. Scott further clarified in the same article “I have no direct evidence that Gonzalo has been killed, I was clear I was referring to reports emerging about his demise. But Gonzo said any disappearance of more than 12 hours should be treated as if something bad had happened to him. It’s been five days”. 3. As someone who once feared for his life at the prospect of being detained by the SBU during war time, you seem awfully jovial and nonchalant about your experience. As a former Soviet citizen, I know that security services do not arrest and release people suspected of treason during war time without some strings attached. After listening to your rant, I have a pretty good idea what those strings are. 4. With all due respect, Scott’s words stand on their own and they don’t need to be dressed up by the likes of you. In the article you quoted, Scott never once mentioned a Russian Vietnam or new Afghanistan. Those are your words, not his. 5. You assessment about Scott courting the mainstream media is fiction. I hope the SBU gives you a pat on your back for your efforts for attacking Scott. Your followers may not comprehend the true objectives behind your rant, but I do.

      So – drama. Here’s the video if you’re up for it; I just skimmed a little as I’m not up for meta-drama.

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      djean111
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      It did seem odd that Lira was merely detained and let go.  Perhaps there are threats against family, who knows.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      "Sometimes when I try to understand a person's motives, I play a little game. I assume the worst. What's the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do? Then I ask myself, 'How well does that reason explain what they say and what they do?'" GRRM

      A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

      • #487965
        HassleCat
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        Lira seems sketchy to me. He wants us to believe he’s the daring, edgy one and everybody else is a pretender or poser. Not buying it.

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      soryang
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      I’ll go with the longer track record of Scott Ritter. I regarded Gonzalo skeptically from the first time I saw him. After his disappearance and reappearance, I thought it was either a sheep dipping episode, or otherwise dubious publicity stunt.

      惑世誣民 혹세무민

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      Passionate Progressive
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      was never comfortable with Lira’s disappearance and also thought that it could have been for publicity…He made a very sensational expose about Victoria Nuland where (though I can’t stand the woman) I thought he made too much about her not having children – and went too much into her psychological motives w/o qualification.  According to Nuland’s Wikipedia page, she does have children..so either Wikipedia or Lira is posting misinformation.

      Having said that in the situation with Russia-Ukraine, I read/subscribe to a variety of sources some familiar and some not so familiar….Though I like, MoA, I have been burned there by going to a referral only to have my computer attacked with a virus – so let’s be careful out there…..I like Scott Ritter, I like the Duran, I like the Grayzone, I still go to MoA and I even think that Lira’s presentations make a contribution to understanding the puzzles….But I don’t accept any source as The Rosetta Stone….

      The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.....Martin Luther King '63

      It takes all the technical proficiency our system can provide to make up for the woeful lack of popular support and political savvy of most of the regimes that the West has thus far sought to prop up.........Bernard Fall

      • #487973
        jbnw
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        And all require a degree of skepticism. But there are still a few, like The Duran, that have been consistently reliable. There’s still @AngieSkys on Twitter that are still good, and numerous Telegram sources have a lot of content, but are really unverifiable, and, frankly, some have graphic videos that show war, but have content hard to see. The Russian Ministry of Defense on Telegram has their perspectives of the basics on a daily basis at https://t.me/mod_russia_en .

    • #487977
      Dunatus
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      Lira has a pretty sketchy past that I was somewhat willing to give him a pass on, but this seems to indicate to me that Lira has been compromised.

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      Babel 17
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      “The Hulkster has never been faced down before in this arena, and he laughs at the idea of it happening now, but Macho Man Randy Savage has shown the kind of moves in his last match that Hulk Hogan has never had to face before. I’m not saying he won’t win, I’m just saying it’s crazy that it doesn’t seem like he’s been practicing to face the kind of onslaught that Savage is going to bring to this match. I’ll be watching this situation intently as we head to the big night where these two meet for their final showdown.”

      Russia is by no means any kind of an underdog, and their defeating Ukraine’s military isn’t going to represent the opportunity for a dramatic narrative like we had with D-Day, the Battle of the Bulge, or the fights at Iwo Jima and Okinawa.

      Well, strike that, there is of course a life and death drama going on every hour of the day for the soldiers getting killed and maimed for their country, and it’s up to the commentators who are seeing Russian forces slowly, very slowly, take apart their Ukrainian opponents to impart a narrative to that which isn’t just a cut dried summary of kilometers advanced or retreated, and missiles launched and targets hit.

      Ritter was using artistic license, like many in the media do even during wars, and that rubbed Gonzalo Lira the wrong way. And in a very human fashion he reacted to Ritter’s drama, with some drama of his own.

      None of which matters of course, not while we’re waiting for this bloody conflict to conclude, and to see the world step away from blowing itself up.

      Don't Kill the Whale
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