I'm not throwing progressive dems under the bus

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      not4sale
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      Only 2 types of people throw progressives under the bus: DNC/SV/Skinner/Discussionist hacks and repukes.  The U.S. has been corrupted to the core for at least 20 years, many people will say 40+ years.  The few progressives that have worked for a few good things, like Bernie Sanders working for universal health care and making it a viable topic in the mainstream U.S. lexicon, deserve respect and praise for what they’ve done from within a predatory system.

      I’m sure I’ll get the “but they all betrayed me” meme but they haven’t betrayed anyone, they’re working from the inside and doing what little they can.  If any real progressive movement will occur, it’ll be because of those people.

    • #319968
      NV Wino
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      What we need to do is elect more and more down-ballot and local progressives, and for the time being, appreciate what people like Bernie and AOC can do with both hands tied and their legs shackled.

      “As we act, let us not become the evil that we deplore.” Barbara Lee
      “Politicians and pro athletes: The only people who still get paid when they lose.” William Rivers Pitt

    • #319970
      Utopian Leftist
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      I do not like seeing Bernie under that bus, either! He has done more to move this country forward than possibly any other politician in my lifetime.

      If any real progressive movement will occur, it’ll be because of those people.

      While I agree with what you said, it follows that we who are not politicians MUST BE VIGILANT! We must never allow our heroes to corrupt themselves the way the faux progressives of the Democratic Party do. Further, we must correct them when they err. It’s not our job to hold anyone’s “feet to the fire,” as Obama demanded of us. No. I can’t make the President grow a conscience if he or she does not already possess one. But when they fuck up, if they don’t have a reasonable excuse, then they must atone and return to doing the right thing.

      Finally, I think that, above all else at this point, we must turn our attention away from those who would sell us to the Democraps and towards those who are ready to form a third party. After two stolen primaries in a row, a third party appears to me as the only legitimate way forward.

      "All fascism is a result of a failure of the left to provide a viable alternative." ~ Trotsky

    • #319976
      David the Gnome
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      Is not “throwing them under the bus”.  Show me the God damn effort to do something fpr the American people as opposed to voting with the rest of the politicians on corporate bailouts.  A couple months ago, JPR was fanatically devoted to Bernie Sanders.  Damn right we feel betrayed by him dropping out and emdorsing Biden before it was half over.  We need healthcare, need relief – and Bernie seemed to be the only one who got it.

      Now they are trying to maintain an illegal mass surveillance apparatus and Trump, of all people, is killing it.  I don’t think asking them to show some courage and stand with voters is asking too much.  I think mocking our feelings of betrayal is absurd and insulting.

      Repeatedly, dems – “progressive” or otherwise have thrown us under the bus.  Most of us are one paycheck or social security check away from bankruptcy, homelessness and/or starvation.  We are in both a depression and a pandemic – and the dems “progressive” or otherwise are demonstrating nothing but cowardice and apparently are utterly ineffective at even attempting to pass decent legislation.

      We dont just “feel” betrayed, we are, we have been.  More with each passing day – every tine one of those assholes lectures us for not wanting to vote for Biden – for asking for or even demanding some level of accountability and courage.

      Shit didnt have to get this bad – and it is on the dems “progressive” or otherwise, as much as the Republicans.

      I dont have to throw them under the bus – but I also don’t gave to vote for them.  So far, none are earning my vote.

      • #319978
        Ohio Barbarian
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        @davidthegnome

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

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        I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".

        Me

      • #320021
        Mr. Mickeys Mom
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        I’m pretty sure I can express myself to Bernie, AOC and the squad, if you will…expressing my disappointment with them at this point without sending them to whatever level of hell may be perceived by that.

        I do that all the way down-ticket because I can get a message across to them, which is what they need to pull themselves out of the inner circle they are most certainly in.

        Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

      • #320024
        xyzse
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        @davidthegnome I agree.  I may still hold a charitable view on them, but if I disagree with a politician, I will disagree with their actions.  Does not mean I will go against them when they make sense.

        Which holds true for me, even if it comes from unlikely sources.  If Rand Paul makes sense, even if I dislike him, I will comment that I agree with some of his assertions, even though his political philosophy runs counter to mine.  So vice-versa, I agree with Bernie’s goals, but there are policies and actions of his that I just can’t agree with.

        I don’t have to go with everything Bernie says or does.  That’s bottom-line for me with every single politician.  I will defend actions that I think is right, and disagree with those that I don’t.

        Heck, Tulsi is still my preferred candidate even if there are many issues I disagree with her with.  I did vote for Sanders on the mail-in-ballot primaries very recently.  I still dislike him folding the way he did, and not being around for the vote on surveillance.

    • #319979
      elias39
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      @not4sale.

      Remember how Tulsi got trashed when she voted ‘present’ on the impeachment of rump? Her explanation for her vote was cogent. But if you vote ‘against’ your party, you get shit on a stick. I think it’s a lot harder do be always RIGHT in your votes than some here seem to think. You do the best you can to get SOMETHING rather than nothing at all.

      This needs repeating. Sometimes talk is all the ‘progressives’ have. And sometimes it works. Slowly. What the people with bees in their bonnets about votes not 100% pure need to realize is, it’s a Big club and if you want even a seat in the corner you can’t just go around tearing people new assholes. That’s how you lose elections (Bernie).

      The real problem isn’t the legislators as it is the fucking people in this country don’t care enough. They don’t vote enough. They watch too much TV and figure it’ll all work out OK. Too bad they’re so wrong. It’s the general population in this country, not the few good men and women, that are the problem.

      My 2 cents.

    • #319980
      ravensong
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      stick together against the malicious anti-democratic, inhumane, planet killing right wing wealthy private interests, and the right wingers they have under their control and direction, such as:

      Trumpers, Republicans, New Democrats (and all other Moderate RWers who are not Republicans), free market libertarians, the alt-right, fascists, and flat out Nazis.

      Like Ben Franklin said, we gotta hang together and do whatever we can to progressively evolve as a nation, or we’re definitely gonna hang separately.

      “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

      The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
      ~ Unknown

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