Impeachment is depressing me.
December 19, 2019 at 2:17 AM - Views: 95 #240115HassleCatParticipant
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Yes, the impeachment proceeding does threaten to worsen hyperpartisanship and tribal warfare, just as our wonderful president wrote in his six page brain explosion. So what? We have two major parties that hate each other for no apparent reason. Neither party stands for much of anything in spite of babbling about love of country, the Constitution, traditional American values. Our system of legalized bribery, which we euphemistically call campaign finance law, ensures the two big parties spend most of their time courting and shaking down big money donors based on handing out taxpayer financed contracts, tax breaks, subsidies, etc. The only real disagreement arises concerning emotional issues, fear mongering, finger pointing and otherwise diverting attention from the fleecing of the citizenry.
The Democrats foolishly believe they can suddenly become highly principled when it comes to impeaching a president of the other party. So committed are they to this narrative that they’re willing to bring a case without absolute proof. Republicans just as foolishly believe they can work up so much fake moral outrage that they’re justified in ignoring the oath they take as impeachment jurors. With the Bill Clinton impeachment still in the rearview mirror, the hypocrisy of both parties is glaring. The usual cloak for hypocrisy is to claim the moral high ground, which only highlights the hypocrisy.
So the huge majority of voters will snuggle deeper into the bosom of their favorite party. The irony here is that they should run screaming from both parties. The best antidote to destructive partisanship is to reject the parties promoting it, but the average citizen doesn’t know that. How could they? From the moment of birth, they are fed a steady diet of fear and loathing. Donald Trump is the perfect leader for such a population. No wonder younger voters are disengaged and cynical. We keep offering them more of the same, demanding they choose between bad and worse, and we wonder why they don’t come to the polls and support the candidates stuffed down their throats. That’s the discouraging part of the possibility that Bernie Sanders could be the Democratic nominee. Resentful mainstream Democrats would spend as much energy ruining his chances as they should spend working against Trump. And there is a certain logic in this, since Bernie and other progressives represent as much of a threat as, perhaps even more of a threat than, the Republicans and Trump.
So, while most Democrats are celebrating the impeachment, I’m getting depressed. I don’t hate Trump enough to risk immersing the nation deeper in the cesspool full of bipartisan excrement. Sorry to be such a Debbie Downer. Maybe I’ll feel better when Bernie gets the nomination.
December 19, 2019 at 2:20 AM #240119MistaPParticipant
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nothing to do with Trump himself: impeachment is the new Brexit, and every Labour MP in a Leave riding was wiped out …
December 19, 2019 at 2:42 AM #240125StockholmerParticipant
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as long as the economy holds up
the Dummicrats are going to lose the House
and Rump has a great shot at reelection
the minute Trump is acquitted he is going to think he is utterly untouchable
he is right, at least until January 20th, 2021
wait till a 2nd Trump term with unified Congressional control
and 3 or 4 more Scotus appointments (if Thomas retires and Sotomayor’s massive diabetes does her in)
December 19, 2019 at 3:07 AM #240139
December 19, 2019 at 3:18 AM #240146RufusTFireflyParticipant
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More so than any president in my lifetime (and that includes Nixon), Trump deserves to be impeached. His contempt for the Constitution and violations of the rule of law aren’t the least bit subtle.
That said, he is the inevitable product of a steady erosion of Congress and a growing disregard of the Constitution. Things were destined to get even worse if he hadn’t been impeached. Unfortunately, the Democrats have made an utter fiasco out of the process, and although I still support Trump’s impeachment and conviction out of principle, I fear that this whole mishandled effort is actually going to strengthen Trump and further divide a country that might’ve been unified by a shared respect for the rule of law.
In short, I share your discouragement @hasslecat.
December 19, 2019 at 4:12 AM #240164ThouArtThatParticipant
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My concerns as well. Time will tell.
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December 19, 2019 at 3:32 AM #240148sadoldgirlParticipant
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Well, look at it from a different perspective. Yes, the party
lovers will solidify, but don’t be fooled. The amount of
independent and more critical voters will grow, and they
will become the majority. They may for a time go for Trump,
but I am not sure of this at all.
December 19, 2019 at 3:08 PM #240373
December 19, 2019 at 4:32 AM #240173Babel 17Participant
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Impeachment has been a success for fundraising for Trump and the Democratic establishment. Presumably those raising the money, and other operatives are making mad bank. From the youtube comments.
He’s pointing out how when a system ends up thriving on chaos and destruction, it inevitably will destroy itself/become unsustainable due to a random variable that can be as insignificant as a simple cherry.
December 19, 2019 at 4:42 AM #240185mrdmkParticipant
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In 2016 both the Republicans and the Democrats ran the two most disliked (hated) candidates in the history of the U.S.A. These candidates were not ran for the good of the nation more-or-less world, but for the money. Both of these parties are about the money. The impeachment process for both parties are about the fund raising i.e. the money. In the mean time, behind the scenes, it is business as usual screwing Jane and Joe Citizen. Do not be fooled.
If you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit WC Fields
December 19, 2019 at 9:18 AM #240304VoltairineParticipant
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Or, perhaps, Trump was chosen to show the true face of USA. Look, this is who you are. Is this who you want to continue to be? Some say yes, some say no.
The establishment does not want to see and tries very hard to break the mirror. They can’t handle the truth, but there is no strength in lies, so they keep losing.
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