yourout (375 posts)January 26, 2017 at 8:17 am
In my opinion Trump would not have happened if Obama had done two things….
#1. Went after banksters in a big way. That means jail time not slap on the wrist fines.
#2. Not signed the ACA without a public option and drug import plan. A mandate without a public option was doomed to fail. Long term signing nothing would have been better. This is the single biggest mistake he made.
Had he not done that 2010 midterms don’t happen. We don’t lose just about every Rust Belt Governor seat. We don’t get gerrymandered so bad it may never be undone.
He may be a good man but long term..Obama has done great damage with his early POTUS actions.DoctorJ, IdaBriggs, kath and 5 othersccinamon, OCMI, Mom Cat, Bearian, xynthee like this
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djean111 (5619 posts) (Reply to original post) January 26, 2017 at 8:24 am
1. Hillary, IMO, would never have stood by those things, and would
undo them, if at all possible. Yes, Obama should have done those things, but those things are not what the DNC is all about. And they decide what the politicians do. But yes, I agree the mid-terms would have been much much better, and just maybe we would have had a better candidate to run against Trump.
- *Obligatory disclaimer - when I say "Democratic Party" I mean the DNC - the Clintons and the un-elected people and the consultants and the lobbyists and the corporations who actually run things. The people who work and vote and are registered as "D" are no more the actual party than Trekkies are Star Trek. Extra credit - the Democratic Party gets to actually fuck up your life. When you vote for it.
Peace13 (975 posts) (Reply to djean111 - post #1) January 26, 2017 at 9:06 am
6. Stumping for Hill was a huge mistake.
Calling her the most prepared, best presidential candidate ever, I felt was a cry for help. He threw Bernie under the bus and stood by while the primary process was dismantled. Go figure. Hill lost.n wonder why?Life's too short to vote for immoral warmongers.
RealityCheck (1029 posts) (Reply to Peace13 - post #6) January 27, 2017 at 10:30 am
His other major downfall (added point to the OP) was immediately hugging Billary as our SoS and then, to your point sticking his head completely up her ass during the election campaign and ditching Bernie. He hitched his wagon to deep corruption with that move.
GloriaMundi (666 posts) (Reply to RealityCheck - post #12) January 30, 2017 at 7:21 am
18. "He hitched his wagon to deep corruption…
…with that move.”
Actually he hitched his wagon to deep corruption before he took office, and obviously stayed on track. Penny Pritzker(*) was a major funder of his candidacy, Citibank (or was it Citigroup?) pretty much chose his high level officials before he got in, he went back on campaign promises (such as renegotiating Nafta, being against a mandate, insisting on a public option) from the start of his presidency, he never said word one about the union busting going on in Wisconsin under Governor Scott Walker.
(*) Heir to the Hyatt fortune, “American billionaire businesswoman, entrepreneur and civic leader”… (aside: when you start out as an heir of a billion dollar fortune, can you really truly be called an entrepreneur with a straight face? apparently in these times, you can)
Pritzker has contributed to numerous campaigns. Among the recipients have been the presidential campaigns and exploratory committees, including those of George W. Bush, Joe Lieberman, Bill Bradley, Rudy Giuliani, John McCain (2000), Al Gore, John Kerry and Hillary Clinton.
She was also on the board of directors of the Council on Foreign Relations, a nonpartisan think tank focused on world affairs and U.S. foreign policy.
FanBoy (7983 posts) (Reply to GloriaMundi - post #18) January 30, 2017 at 9:36 am
19. yep. it anyone had done the basic research they would have known.
he was built up to be pres years before
TwilightSporkle (1795 posts) (Reply to original post) January 26, 2017 at 8:24 am
2. Obama had very little to do with it
The first hurdle is just that the Americna voting public almost never gives a party three presidential terms. The only times that has happened is when a sitting president dies in office… and George H.W. Bush (Given his CIA ties, I wonder if that was actually a “fluke” though…)
Second is that the Democrats did everything they could to lose. They disenfranchised half of their own base, spit on Democratic-voting independents, and ran a candidate whose only merit was “I’m not Trump.” This candidate then refused to campaign anywhere that wasn’t giving her campaign $25,00 per head.
The 2016 presidential election was writ in stone without Obama’s hand. The only thing keeping it from being a Mondale-sized blowout is the fact that Trump really is that grotesque. Had Mitt Romney been the Republican nominee, you would have seen some serious shit.
What if I want to tell you to leave me and my beloved ones in peace
But you only understand the language of the sword
I let the blade do the talking
So my tongue shall become iron
And my words the mighty roar of war
LuckyDog (640 posts) (Reply to TwilightSporkle - post #2) January 26, 2017 at 10:44 am
Obama appointed her as SOS, giving her the platform to consolidate power and money for 8 years, the first 4 as pay for play and foundation enrichment. What would have happened to her otherwise? The next 4 years she spent fundraising on Wall St. and combining SDs, Obama’s OFA and the PACs, thereby consolidatiing the party apparatus as a surrogate HRC campaign organization. That sends the message that the party will continue to try Third Way tactics to imitate Repub strategies by not tolerating any challenge or opposition, and out-fundraising the opposition as a path to victory/dominance. I don’t think middle America appreciated those moves.
When Obama appointed the catfood commission to put SS and Medicare on the chopping block, middle America noticed. When he droned more innocents than alleged targets, middle America noticed. When he prosecuted more whistleblowers than any other president and instead treated Snowden and Manning like traitors instead of national heroes, middle America noticed.
Obama and Biden appointed DWS, HRC’s former campaign mgr. to lead the “impartial,” DNC, Turning the DNC into a one-way street instead of a democratic organization. This emphasis severely limited the thinking of party strategists on the majority of the issues. Many Dems responded by turning their backs and supporting Sanders instead.
Obama never backed workers or unions as he promised. He bailed out Wall St. and Detroit, but brought no new jobs programs. No New Deal type of re-vitalizing infrastructure public works to improve our country and provide jobs. Other campaign promises were systematically broken or forgotten by him, including the lie that his admin would leave it up to the states to decide issues like medical marijuana. These messages were also noticed by middle America.
When OWS happened and a very large spontaneous force from the general public scared the bejezus out of Washington, citing the truths of no economic recovery for middle America, and complete devastation of millions of foreclosed homeowners who received no such bailouts like Wall St. and Detroit, instead instructing the DHS in coordination with mostly dem mayors of large cities, crushed the Occupy sites. This message was noticed by middle America.
Obama then wholeheartedly endorsed her over Sanders.
The middle-Americans saw little in the way of economic recovery and little in the way of healthcare reform, all of which now may return to the square one of millions of uninsured and pre-existing conditions. Middle America noticed.
From his actions/inactions Obama apparently approved of the DNC’s strategies of emphasizing fundraising instead of issue-oriented campaigning, demonstrated by the media sources bought and paid for and evidenced in the Wikileaks emails. This was noticed by middle America and resulted in the disparate turnout to HRC rallies to those of Sanders.
When it became apparent that HRC was going to stay the course of Obama’s conservative approach to government and militarism abroad and Wall St. first at home, middle America said no.
Obama’s groomed successor fell under the weight of these overwhelming negatives. His hand is not unseen. It was his baby and he lost it. Why do you think everything suddenly changed to “Look, over there, it’s the Russians.”
When asked if they wanted to buy the new administration just like the old administration by Obama, they said no to this used car salesman.
Flygirl (3018 posts) (Reply to LuckyDog - post #8) January 26, 2017 at 1:05 pm
ccinamon (171 posts) (Reply to LuckyDog - post #8) January 27, 2017 at 11:42 am
13. Perfectly said!!!
Thank you for takjng the time to share your very insightful thoughts… you have said what I have a hard time articulating!!!
Doobieornot2be (30 posts) (Reply to LuckyDog - post #8) January 29, 2017 at 10:02 am
“Why do you think everything suddenly changed to “Look, over there, it’s the Russians.”
well if we weren’t busy speculating about unproven Russian hacks helping Trump destroy America we might actually have time to notice the admitted Saudi funding of the proven Clinton campaign and dnc rigging/hacking of the primary…
bigwillq (278 posts) (Reply to original post) January 26, 2017 at 8:39 am
3. Obama could have cured cancer
and Trump still would have been elected.“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.” -TR
Port tack 8 (591 posts) (Reply to original post) January 26, 2017 at 9:01 am
oldandhappy (4104 posts) (Reply to original post) January 26, 2017 at 9:04 am
5. Trump would not have happened if herself had not stolen the primaries.
The media has a lot of responsibility with Trump. They gave us trump on a platter months and months before the primaries. And herself gave him the puff and lied and lied and stole the primaries. Nothing honest about all of that. I wish Obama had done those things, but I suspect herself could still have stolen the primaries and puffed Trump and then lost.Invest in people. Seek TRUTH.
leveymg (3828 posts) (Reply to original post) January 26, 2017 at 9:06 am
7. Add a third thing he should not have done: appointed Hillary Secretary of State
Two things would have resulted from that: first, the Mideast would not have been destabilized, ISIS wouldn’t have metasticized (provided another Neocon wasn’t given that key policy position); and, second, she would have been less likely to be considered the presumptive Democratic Nominee by so many.
The Contrarian (202 posts) (Reply to leveymg - post #7) January 26, 2017 at 11:43 am
9. I havent the faintest why he chose her.
Of course that being if I didn’t understand he was a corrupt asshat. I always said I wanted to like Mr.Obama
leveymg (3828 posts) (Reply to The Contrarian - post #9) January 26, 2017 at 1:30 pm
11. There's only one explanation that makes sense
If you will recall, in early July, Obama quietly slipped off his campaign plane to meet with Hillary in Georgetown a few weeks before the 2008 Democratic Convention. Within days, Hillary had announced she was releasing her delegates, effectively insuring an uncontested nomination for Obama.
It doesn’t take a lot of imagination to conclude that her appointment to either the VP or SOS post was assured as the cost she extracted.
She ended up at State, running US foreign policy at the same time she continued to manage the Clinton Foundation with money provided by various foreign governments, including those who would benefit from regime change in Libya and Syria. It was a recipe ripe for conflict of interest, and the violent death of hundreds of thousands of people, along with the spread of religious civil war across the region.
eridani (2963 posts) (Reply to original post) January 28, 2017 at 11:40 pm
14. I'd add a third–pushing for TPP in 2016
That cost Dems the rust belt statesYou've heard of the Good Witch of the North and the Wicked Witch of the West, right? I'm the Morally Ambiguous Witch of the Northwest.
FanBoy (7983 posts) (Reply to eridani - post #14) January 30, 2017 at 10:14 am
20. right during campaign season. i tell you they wanted to lose — to lose
everything to lay the ground for the harvesting
Charles (2088 posts) (Reply to eridani - post #14) February 4, 2017 at 2:32 pm
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FanBoy (7983 posts) (Reply to original post) January 29, 2017 at 10:38 am
16. if obama had done anything actually 'progressive' in a major way,
we’d have a dem pres (for better or worse).
the failure of the left always brings the right turn.
dunno if it’s by design or just reaction, but historically, that’s the way it happens.
the failure of the right brings the left — but I will probably not be here to see the spring.
DoctorJ (644 posts) (Reply to original post) January 30, 2017 at 6:34 am
17. I would replace #2 with moving Medicare Eligibility to age 60
We would have stomped the GOP in 2010.Conservatives are fond of telling us what a wonderful, happy, prosperous nation this is. The only thing that matches their love of country is the remarkable indifference they show toward the people who live in it. - Michael Parenti
Robert From NC (329 posts) (Reply to original post) February 4, 2017 at 12:04 pm
21. All of this maybe true,
but I think that it is obvious the democrats should not have nominated Hillary. Nominating Hillary is what I think led to Trump winning more than anything else."Socially Liberal, Fiscally Progressive" "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin "Formerly known here as Robert Thomas 85"