Introducing the New Current Thing: Abortion!
June 26, 2022 at 10:31 PM - Views: 97 #493171Ohio BarbarianModerator
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First, I’d better make sure my personal position on abortion rights is perfectly clear, as old Tricky Dick used to say. It’s real simple. I’m a man. I can never get pregnant, therefore I don’t think that I, or any other man, has the right to tell a woman what she can do with her own body. Period. I think it’s a very libertarian position.
In spite of my saying that, I will be accused by liberals of hating women or basking in my patriarchal white privilege or some other nonexistent bullshit when I say this issue isn’t nearly enough to make me vote for any gods-forsaken Democrat this November. I’ll go farther and say that anyone who thinks that electing Democrats is going to save abortion rights is naive at best and a sleazy paid propagandist at worst.
Roe v. Wade was a contorted Supreme Court decision reached in 1973 by justices who believed that abortion should be a legal right for all American women, and they kind of created a right to privacy for this situation. It was a popular decision, if not an iron clad legal one, and Democrats who claim to be pro-choice had 49 years to codify it into federal law.
They didn’t do that because it was such a great fundraising tool for a political party that started morphing into a money-laundering operation in the 1980s and was primarily such an operation by the time Bill Clinton was re-elected. Now it totally is.
A whole cottage industry of pundits and think tanks sprang up to urge people to vote Democrat or else the Big Bad Republicans would get a Supreme Court that would do things like take away the federal right to an abortion. If abortion rights were codified into law, one wouldn’t have to worry about the Supreme Court taking away such rights and a sales pitch that’s been around for a couple of generations would be worthless. Think of all of the top 10% careers that would just disappear!
Now, we’re supposed to believe that electing Democrats will somehow protect abortion, when there’s almost half a century of hard evidence to the contrary. We’re also supposed to forget all about Ukraine because that’s going to be very inconvenient for Democrats as soon as Odessa falls, the Ukrainian Army disintegrates, and the Kiev regime finally sues for peace.
Democrat strategists think abortion being made illegal in 26 states will be a great fundraising and electoral tool. Their internet minions will scream that anyone who doesn’t vote Democrat now is a misogynist or Other Bad Person, and probably homophobic and racist as well. Pointing out that the working class economy is getting hammered by inflation while Democrats refuse to do anything about it will be proof positive that one is not only a Trumper or a Putin puppet or a traitor, but that one wants to live in The Handmaid’s Tale.
It won’t work. Nothing concentrates the minds of voters on the economy like inflation, and nothing makes more people angrier at the federal government than one whose leadership does nothing to help them as their disposable incomes plummet. Since the Biden Administration seems determined to let the Fed throw the economy into a full-blown recession in order to slow inflation, that anger will only get worse and more intense, not less.
So if you’re on social media, buckle up. Some liberals have traded in their Ukrainian flags for solid black fields of mourning already. The talking points to the liberal cult are going out now, hard on the heels of the fundraising emails sent within minutes of the announcement of the Supremes’ decision.
The message is this: Forget Ukraine. Forget inflation. Don’t be a selfish treacherous misogynist prick, vote Democrat to show you honor women or else be ostracized!
The Democratic Party knows this messaging won’t hold the House for them, and probably not the Senate, but that doesn’t matter. What matters is that liberals will send them more money, will virtue-signal about doing just that, and will do their best to shout down real leftists who know that this whole issue is just a money game as far as both major capitalist parties are concerned.
I’ll close with two bits of advice. For liberals, remember that screaming is futile. For everyone else, follow the money and don’t get distracted by the Vote Blue No Matter Who to save abortion rights drumbeat. It’s not intended to actually accomplish anything to change people’s lives for the better.
Just like the Democratic Party isn’t.
Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov
The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere
June 26, 2022 at 10:59 PM #493174David the GnomeParticipant
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Looking back, I was one of those democrats not all that long ago. Eventually, I just got tired of being lied to, of nearly every promise and ideal being betrayed. I had had enough by the time Bernie Sanders threw his hat in the ring.
Then, because he was a good man who seemed to me to be honestly practicing what he preached, I regretfully got involved again. Voting, making calls, sending letters, arguments, donating money…
2016 was a revelation of what the DNC could do and get away with. 2020 was worse, it was them proving, all over again, what a sham their party and the whole primary process is.
So… Yeah. In retrospect, I should have been wise enough to see where things were going by 2012. I still thought, though, that the Democrats were the lesser of two evils. Even in 2016 I had just enough hope/faith/stupidity left to cast my vote for Clinton in the general.
The things I have learned since then should put me off of politics entirely. I am powerless to really affect these things. I am sick of voting for really awful people. I am tired of being told that anyone has a right to, or deserves my vote.
Every so often, I break away for weeks or even months and feel a lot better in general. Then something happens, I remember the important issues and why they are important. I see the results of our terrible leadership. And usually…
Usually it gives me a chance to, however briefly, engage with other Americans who against all odds, have some notion of the truth. Certainly like you and many I have met here.
I have no faith in institutions anymore, but I do have faith in good people. Unfortunately we are outnumbered and outgunned, even more so than Ukraine VS Russia.
Some times I need to be reminded of that, before I make the mistake of letting my passion or my imagination run wild.
We can all imagine better. We could do better, I think, if ever given the chance. But all of us here, unless there are some secret billionaires… We do not have that power.
June 26, 2022 at 11:03 PM #493175
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June 27, 2022 at 3:15 AM #493192jbnwParticipant
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It’s kind of hard – some only get a few days, like monkeypox. Some appear regularly, like school and mass shootings. Some never got a chance – the Supreme Court decision on the right to carry concealed weapons, got trumped (small ‘t’ for that one . . .). G7? Does anyone care? Huge amounts of US money committed? Happens all the time – it’s not the current thing.
So I’ll (mostly) ignore the news bullhorns and follow what I care about. And lately, it’s nothing in the news – I think I’ll be a good American, ignoring the news like I’m supposed to, and worry about living.
June 27, 2022 at 4:31 AM #493194jerry611Participant
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One thing that seems to be materializing is that the needle of the Roberts court has become more anti-federal over the years. They didn’t do it here specifically in this case, but they may say that federal government lacks constitutional authority to make such sweeping healthcare determinations……in either way on issues like abortion. That means they may take a dim view on the federal government mandating abortion access. They also may not accept a federal ban on abortion either. They may believe abortion is a state issue. Period.
But Democrats also should be careful. At the moment at least, the Republicans (and SCOTUS) seem satisfied that abortion is being decided by each individual state. Most are probably happy to keep it that way. However, if the Democrats kill the filibuster and codify Roe forcing every state to allow abortion, and the Supreme Court allows it, that could move Republicans more to a national ban strategy. That means the second the GOP gains control of the House, Senate, and White House, they could immediately pass a nationwide abortion ban. And Democrats would not be able to do anything about it.
June 27, 2022 at 12:25 PM #493216Pam2Participant
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Yep, the abortion issue kept me voting Dem for a long time. Then Bernie came along and I didn’t want to be a one issue voter anymore. Abortion wasn’t enough to get me to vote for horrible Hillary and Joementia and their crappy foreign and domestic policies.
June 27, 2022 at 8:31 PM #493294
“they may say that federal government lacks constitutional authority to make such sweeping healthcare determinations……in either way on issues like abortion. That means they may take a dim view on the federal government mandating abortion access. They also may not accept a federal ban on abortion either. They may believe abortion is a state issue. Period.”
— that’s my take, and i think there is evidence to support that reading.
— i also don’t expect the courts at any level to leave the states alone, whatever the legislatures do.
How are the Ds going to codify roe at this point? not going to happen & i doubt most individual Ds want to take on that fight anyway.
though accidentally posted to pam
June 27, 2022 at 8:34 PM #493295
But again, no matter who we vote for, we get the foreign policy of the MIC and the ‘foreign policy establishment,’ as well as the foreign policy of very wealthy people with serious overseas interests (i.e. oil corps, mining companies, those invested in international labor markets, etc.)
June 27, 2022 at 8:16 PM #493288
I don’t think all the Democrats are as stupid as you think.
Nor do I think putting abortion into law would have changed much.
Which is not to say they shouldn’t have/couldn’t have done that. But…
If put into national law, court could have ruled it should be state-by-state.
If it’s state law, courts can go after state laws one by one.
There’s always a way for power to do what it wants to
Unless people stand up to power. Repeatedly, at risk to life and limb.
Choose what you love.
PS: Justice Bader-Ginzburg said this about Roe in 2013: (from ScheerPost)
“My criticism of Roe is that it seemed to have stopped the momentum on the side of change,” Ginsburg said. She would’ve preferred that abortion rights be secured more gradually, in a process that included state legislatures and the courts, she added. Ginsburg also was troubled that the focus on Roe was on a right to privacy, rather than women’s rights.
“Roe isn’t really about the woman’s choice, is it?” Ginsburg said. “It’s about the doctor’s freedom to practice…it wasn’t woman-centered, it was physician-centered.”
June 27, 2022 at 8:21 PM #493292closeupreadyParticipant
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Wow. I wouldn’t be surprised if MSNBC fires someone for letting this air but good for them for airing something that’s actually critical of Democrats. https://t.co/k2tSMGHerX
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