Is Canada a dangerous bastion of socialism? According to Trump, maybe: Don Pittis
February 11, 2019 at 7:57 AM - Views: 74 #22981CharlesParticipant
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Like the term liberal, socialism has many shades of meaning and some apply to us in Canada
Don Pittis · CBC News · Posted: Feb 11, 2019 4:00 AM ET – Last Updated: 3 hours ago
“Here in the United States, we are alarmed by the new calls to adopt socialism in our country,” Trump declared in his speech to Congress. “America was founded on liberty and independence — and not government coercion, domination and control.”
As he spoke, network cameras panned to self-declared supporter of socialism Sen. Bernie Sanders and, by U.S. standards, the left-leaning Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
‘Socialist’ like Canada?
But, of course, to most Canadians — and to most of the world’s other liberal democracies — the socialism of Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez that advocates things like universal health care and moderating the extremes of U.S. wealth and poverty does not seem very alarming.
To most Canadians, raised in what has been called a mixed economy for its combination of the public and private sector, that kind of socialism holds little terror….
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February 11, 2019 at 9:12 AM #22996jwirrParticipant
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I am truly alarmed by the misunderstanding of the word socialism. For some it is equated with democracy – but wait most of the countries vote for their leaders so that is wrong. And it is also equated with communism – again wrong because was a dictatorship that controlled literally everything. And socialism today is much different than the idea was pre-WWII. In the attempt to alleviate the effects of the Great Depression FDR and the people of the USA created what we now call a mixed economy – capitalism and socialism used where it best helps the people. But since 1980 we have been losing that mixed economy to rabid capitalism and we now are suffering the affects of greed and hate.
If we insist on calling that old mixed economy socialism then we will pay the price once again. And it does not help that we have some real problems that make it worse now than in the Great Depression – forever wars and climate change that needs of be addressed NOW.
February 11, 2019 at 9:32 AM #23005CharlesParticipant
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The constant comparison of socialism and Venezuela are also disturbing.
For low information voters this is a set up so that they immediately shut down any concept of a mixed government. The comparison is completely based on a false premise as the two situations aren’t even remotely similar.
Having examples like Canada, Australia, Norway and most other countries in Europe to use as realistic comparisons provides a logical and easy to process response when confronted with the propaganda created to make universal healthcare and debt free college seem like radical ideas.
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February 11, 2019 at 10:50 AM #23028game meatParticipant
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Most functioning modern economies are mixed. Unfortunately, most are under the impression that a country is either capitalist or socialist.
This will mostly be a messaging war in which people will need to be enlightened to the fact that the two are not mutually exclusive.
February 11, 2019 at 9:41 AM #23009ThouArtThatParticipant
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Well Canada – it’s been nice knowing you – sad that your country has taken a turn for the worse – to make amends – the Global Company Store (Capitaliam) – has authorized an intervention – for grievous violations against the the 1% – within weeks – your nation will be subsumed within the United States – reparations will include monetization of all social programs – this will include health care and low cost pharmaceuticals – reparations will continue until such time that living standards are reduced to those found South of your border.
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February 11, 2019 at 10:20 AM #23017peacecorpsParticipant
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What Trump must think of FDR (if he knows who he was). A ‘socialist’, progressive internationalist – all things that Trump hates.
The Big Lie: "Make the lie big, Make it simple, Keep saying it, And eventually they will believe it." AH.
"Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect." JG
National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not solved with more nationalism.
February 11, 2019 at 10:27 AM #23018Ohio BarbarianModerator
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Under true socialism, in my view, the people who actually do the producing or provide the services control any excess value, or profit, from their endeavor. There is no room for someone who doesn’t do these things directing the profit to themselves without the consent of the producers.
In that sense, Bernie Sanders is no socialist, though he is a Social Democrat. Capitalism continues to exist, though it is denied control of everything and is closely regulated to provide for more equity and justice.
Trump, of course, couldn’t define capitalism, much less the far less understood socialism.
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February 11, 2019 at 10:37 AM #23023David the GnomeParticipant
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The Canadians are coming! Or I guess I could go there – five minute walk for me. Socialist? LOL. No. If that’s what people like Trump want to call it though, fine. We start calling that socialism and eventually the American people will REALLY warm to the idea (my generation, that often does not actually know what socialism means, either, might already be calling it such – but they are not opposed to it). Then they’ll start calling it communism, and we’ll all become “communists” instead (cause medicare for all, actually paying for education, food, welfare, taxing the rich, etc. is all bad, bad, dirty, dirty, evil communism!) Perhaps by that time, the government will have to enact progressive legislation just to keep us “communists” from throwing them out.
Fine by me, let’s show em some fucking socialism, or communism, or whatever. Even though it’s really a capitalist system with some decent social policies. They won’t know the difference anyway. So, prepare, comrades, for a COMMUNIST revolution, or something. When we’re done with that, everyone gets a free ice cream. Everyone. Cause that’s what evil fucking communists do.
February 12, 2019 at 9:02 AM #23405Johnny RashParticipant
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Some people may live in a world that might look like Socialism, or Capitalism or Communism. But regardless what it may be called today, because all are mere illusions of what reality has shown me over the years ….it’s ‘who’ you know that really matters – always has, always will!!!
It’s the only universal currency that has lasted constantly throughout the ages. It’s what makes you keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer. And it’s what makes you say “Blood is thicker than wine!”.
Just saying ….what kind of Political System you may be under is only a Label slapped on a Societal Group of Fellows with a edge to grind against their own inevitable human limitations: You are defined by who you are associated with these days – that’s all!
So, I guess it all boiled down to who does “Virtue Signaling” best these days win the title of the World Leader!
Long live Kind Don?
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February 12, 2019 at 10:58 AM #23433EnthusiastParticipant
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We recognize the stupidity of Trump’s assertion. We also recognize that even the Canadian national health care system doesn’t amount to socialism.
Advocates of the convoluted, inefficient American system are always repeating these insurance industry talking points. They’re paid to do it!
I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".
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