Is Nancy Pelosi delaying sending Articles of Impeachment to the Senate in order to hurt Bernie Sanders?

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  • #242276

    Ohio Barbarian
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    Kyle Kulinski, this scenario of mine is entirely your fault. Well, you, and a political mind made suspicious of the Vichy Democrats simply by observing them ever since they were created in a fetid DLC idea laboratory.

    Kyle’s been making the point lately, and I’ll link to his most recent 15 minute video on the subject below, that the best political strategy for the Democratic Party in the 2020 election as far as the impeachment process is concerned is Nichevo.  In this case, the multi-definition Russian word means “Do nothing.” Don’t transmit the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate, claim that Mitch McConnell cannot be trusted to guarantee a fair trial, ever, and never send the Articles to the Senate.

    That way, Trump can’t claim he was acquitted and vindicated, and he proved it today when he threw a Twitter Tantrum over it, saying “I want an impeachment trial now!!!” WAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! Trump really is such a transparent spoiled child. Kulinski argues that’s the Democrats’ best possible strategy concerning this whole impeachment boondoggle–don’t send the Articles to the Senate, say Trump was impeached because he was, and ask The Turtle why he won’t guarantee a fair trial.

    Kyle then mentions that Pelosi sent Trump a letter inviting him to give the State of the Union speech on February 4th, proving she knows Trump will never lose the Senate trial, so he hopes that this may in fact be her strategy.

    I think that is a forlorn hope. Nancy Pelosi gives doesn’t give two shits about whether the Democratic Party controls a single branch of government after 2020. I think her main goal is to preserve the status quo for the political elite, for the kleptocracy, for herself and her little class of Democratic Party elites, not to mention her husband’s FIRE sector interests. A second Trump term does nothing to harm those interests. A Sanders Administration will probably destroy some of them.

    Bernie is, most certainly, an existential threat to the existing and worthless(to We The People) Democratic Party. He’s said so himself. So, from Pelosi’s perspective, he must be stopped, and another major election loss for the Democrats is a small price to pay. She’ll be just fine. That’s how the bitch thinks. I’ve been observing her for years, too.

    If my dark thoughts are correct, this is what will happen. After some overly dramatized negotiations, Pelosi will announce that Mitch McConnell has agreed to let the House Managers call X number of witnesses, and might even agree to name them ahead of time, not that it matters much. In exchange, the Republicans will be allowed to call witnesses of their own, who will spew all sorts of conspiracy theories while also shining the spotlight on the legal soft corruption of Joe Biden.

    The trial could start in late January or early February, later if Trump or McConnell fuck it up–which is entirely possible, these creatures in the Washington Bubble often live in a fantasy world of what they think persuades people to vote for them–and it would be long. 4 weeks, 6 weeks, preferably at least through March.

    Sanders and Warren are stuck in the Senate, away from the campaign except for very brief appearances on weekends. No such limitation on Joe Biden, unless he got called as a witness, which I can see happening. Talk about kabuki theater! If Joe tanks, fine, see if the Vichy Dems can’t propel Buttigieg or Klobuchar or Anybody but Bernie to the nomination while he’s prevented from campaigning. If they have to settle for Warren, that’s fine. Obama’s already told the donor class he thinks she’s corruptible.

    Then, probably, somebody will leak or hack into some emails or something, and it’ll all become public, just like Hillary’s emails about rigging the primary did. From Pelosi’s perspective, it doesn’t matter if the information has an impact after Bernie is denied the nomination. It doesn’t matter if their revelation hands defeat to some Vichy Dem or Elizabeth Warren and re-election to Trump. All that matters is that Bernie never becomes President.

    How’s that for an evil plan? Please feel free to tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about. These are evil thoughts, even worse, corporatist thoughts. They’re disgusting to me. ‘Twould be a relief to be totally off base.

    Oops. Forgot Kyle’s video:

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  • #242291

    mrdmk
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    Do not forget about the fund raising slogan, “We are working hard to defeat Trump!”

    Anybody here remember the years of 2000 though 2008? Talk about the Democrats laying down for the Republicans…

    If you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit WC Fields

    • #242294

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      @mrdmk Yes, Pelosi herself said that Trump was great for fundraising.

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      With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

  • #242302

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    Normally I would rather slit my wrists with Occam’s Razor than cite it, but I think that Pelosi is playing the hand that she was dealt by McConnell.

    Mitch had the upper hand and he blew it up.

  • #242306

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    I think this whole fiasco was planned to stop Bernie.

    WHY else would they have waited so long to impeach and chose two ridiculously weak articles of impeachment when there were others that were much worse, like violating the emoluments clause?

    The good thing about his army of supporters, he has a TON of big name surrogates who will gladly hit the road for him if Pelosi sends the articles to the Senate…which she will and probably right before Iowa or Super Tuesday.

    He will have:

    Jane Sanders

    Nina Turner

    Dr. Cornell West

    Killer Mike

    John Cusack

    Tim Robbins

    AOC

    Tlaib

    Ro Khanna

    Ben and Jerry

    Adolph Reed Jr.

    Susan Sarandon

    RoseAnn DeMoro

    And probably hundreds more. Not to mention his massive base of supporters. They will pick up the slack. They will get him to the WH.

    The Clinton and Obama crime families will hit the road for Warren or Biden. IMCPO, they’re the kiss of death for a 2020 campaign.

    I wonder if Bernie knows what’s going down? He can’t be that naive, right?

    DNC/Pelosi will fail. Bernie’s Revolution is too huge for them to stop.

    • #242516

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      @incognito Fate is inexorable. If it is America’s, and humanity’s, fate for us to have a political revolution, it will happen no matter what the Vichy Dems or Republicans do. It will happen no matter what our ruling oligarchy does. If it does, future historians will look back and see the signs of its coming from decades ago and write stories about it.

      If we are in a truly broad-based, determined working class movement it will succeed. It’s just…difficult to see is the future when one is still in its past.

      We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

      With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

  • #242322

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    Here’s a scenario that no one has mentioned. If Pelosi pulls that crap to keep Bernie off the campaign trail, what if Bernie resigns form the Senate? It’s a long shot, and it would depend on Bernie having a solid chance, not just becoming the nominee, but becoming President. I don’t think it would happen. There are too many variables, including but not limited to, fraudulent elections from voter purges and hacked machines, to the DNC forcing a second ballot. But, it would thwart Pelosi.

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    • #242324

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      @nvwino

      Now that’s an interesting thought!

      If his internal polls show him winning big, he very well could do that.

      He would not only thwart Pelosi, but Warren would be occupied too.

      Ooooh man, would that piss off TPTB!

  • #242337

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    If Sanders were to resign from the Senate, all hell would break lose.

    Tulsi Gabbard is being taken to the woodshed with her present vote (never mind the Democrats who voted no. The devil must have made them do it.) The comments seem to be universal, she is a coward and calculating at the same time which is suspicious in itself. Not to mention, nothing of substance just like the news reports.

    If you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit WC Fields

  • #242344

    David the Gnome
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    Honestly, I think it is a possibility.

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    Charles
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    Undoubtedly Pelosi is no fan of Bernie’s. But it’s highly unlikely she’s even considering anything like that with what’s at stake with impeachment for both her and the party.

    Sure she would probably consider it a bonus if it did mess with Bernie but it’s not some kind of priority.

    The cards right now are looking at court battles and more articles of impeachment being drawn up as the battle between the Dems and Mitch McConnell heats up.

     

    House counsel suggests Trump could be impeached again

    The comment came in a filing with federal court that argues Democrats still need testimony from former White House counsel Don McGahn.

     

    Bernie: "Not Me. Us"

    • #242348

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      @charles House counsel. Mphm. He may well be right that they can bring more Articles of Impeachment, but that would just prolong the process, which supports my thesis.

      So we’re back to Square One. Again, I don’t think Pelosi cares about Democrats winning; she only cares about her political class staying in business, and they can only do that if corporate bribes keep flowing. Bernie may cut off that flow, so for her, Trump is the lesser evil.

      The spice must flow. –The Navigators’ Guild, Dune

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      With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

      • #242353

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        Trump has McConnell openly bragging he’ll work with the White House to create a strategy in for the impeachment hearings in the Senate.

        Trump also has William Iran-Contra cover up guy Barr acting as his own personal Roy Cohn.

        And Trump has lawyers in court declaring Trump could shoot someone and not be prosecuted.

        This isn’t the same environment as previous impeachments. This is the wild wild west…

        Bernie: "Not Me. Us"

        • #242355

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          @charles That’s all true, but it will make absolutely no difference to the outcome in the Senate or Trump’s inevitable rise in the polls once he is acquitted. Kyle Kulinski is right–the Democrats will fare better across the board if Pelosi never submits the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate and there never is a trial.

          Therefore she will eventually submit them.

          We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

          With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

          • #242368

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            Considering Pelosi’s record in regards to such things it’s quite possible she’ll do the wrong thing for the wrong reasons.

            Still it’s obvious that Trump is a criminal and he needs to be stopped. If the Democrats don’t nip his crime spree in the bud now it will only get worse.

            Hell, I fully expect Trump to continue breaking the law until the people become so appalled the Senate will have no choice but to impeach him.

            Trump has no moral compass. He’s always gotten away with doing anything he wants his entire life. He won’t  stop until he’s  forced to.

            Now that he’s president he believes he’s above the law so watch how far he pushes the envelope.

            He just withheld $400 million dollars of tax payer money as if it was his own money in order to try and coerce a leader of another country into directly interferring with the election. He’s doing this immediately after an investigation where he was accused of the exact same thing.

            I seriously wouldn’t put anything past the Donald as to what he may do to remain president and stay out of jail.

            I expect the worse from him…

             

            Bernie: "Not Me. Us"

  • #242462

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    “Bernie is, most certainly, an existential threat to the existing and worthless (to We The People) Democratic Party.”

    So true. AND he is a HUGE threat to the continued political power of the GOP which may soon view Bernie as the next FDR who pushes the GOP into the political wilderness for the foreseeable future.

    For now Trump/GOP seem to fear Biden the most (which shows how clueless they are). After Bernie successes in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, etc., Mitch may well be willing to cooperate with Nancy “to preserve the status quo for the political elite” which Bernie threatens.

    National problems (slavery/racism, income inequality, pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war) are not solved with more national sovereignty.

    A CEO, an American worker and an immigrant sit at a table with a dozen cookies in front of them. The CEO grabs 11 of them, then leans over and warns the worker, "Watch out for the immigrant. He is trying to get your cookie."

    • #242518

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      @peacecorps That’s how I see it. I can also see this backfiring spectacularly on both Pelosi and The Turtle, not to mention Trump. If Pelosi and McConnell make some kind of deal with the devils they know–each other–and stage a charade that is perceived to be meddling in the election process to stop Bernie, then we will have a blundering, tantrum-throwing and unwitting ally in Donald Trump for a few days or weeks.

      He will be unable to resist attacking Pelosi for staging a prolonged reality TV show in the Senate just to delay exonerating him and to sabotage Crazy Bernie. He’ll do it because he’ll think the Vichy Dems will succeed in blocking Bernie from the nomination, and their method will guarantee a split Democratic Party base, many of whom will boycott the election rather than reward Pelosi and Biden or Buttigieg or whoever they select.

      If Bernie wins anyway, then we’ll have a sea change election the likes of which we haven’t seen since 1980. Except this time, America will turn to the left.

      They’ll be dancing in the streets of London, Paris, and Mexico City.

      We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

      With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

  • #242569

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    There are two points that should be considered.

    Impeachment is only pronounced once the Turtle

    receives the two articles. The longer Pelosi waits,

    Trump can claim that this process was only propaganda.

    Since the Repugs in the House were forbidden to call

    their witnesses, it is quite possible that the Senate will

    claim the same right for its side. Pelosi cannot dictate

    the rules for the Senate. So, yes, the Turtle will agree to

    call witnesses, but only theirs.

    • #242578

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      @sadoldgirl I’m sorry, but your first point is factually incorrect. Trump was impeached by the House of Representatives, period. He is an impeached President or, as Rashida Tlaib would say, an impeached motherfucker. The Senate does not, and never has, impeached anyone. Only the House can impeach, and they did. This claim that he hasn’t really been impeached because the articles of impeachment haven’t been transmitted to the Senate is complete and utter bullshit.

      The House of Representatives shall choose their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.–United States Constitution, Article I, Section 2, Clause 5

      Don’t believe any Republican nonsense to the contrary. The Senate holds the trial on the Articles of Impeachment, and if 2/3 of them find the President guilty of the charges, he is removed from office. That’s not an impeachment. It’s a trial. It’s a different thing, no matter what inaccurate popular misconceptions there may be.

      So it’s not propaganda for Rashida Tlaib or anyone else who voted for it to say “We impeached the motherfucker.” They did; they really did.

      Trump has no real say in what happens to that process. The Turtle does, and if he won’t allow the Democrats to call witnesses, if she really wants that to happen Pelosi won’t submit the impeachment articles until he does. Does she really want to do that? I don’t know.

      Wilson has kept us out of the war, and he says he will continue to keep us out of the war, but who knows the mind of a Democrat?–Jack Reed, 1916

      The more things change…

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      With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

  • #242583

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    I think she’s delaying it as long as she can so more dirt can be exposed on Trump before the 2020 general election.  Not to mention having him display his unfitness for public office the more he tweets/speaks about it.

    I also think it’s a smart move.

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    • #242585

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      @bazukhov If that is the case, then Pelosi should heed Kulinski’s advice and never transmit the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate. Let Trump cry all he wants because he doesn’t get his vindication card from the Senate.

      I hope you’re right, but I have zero faith in Pelosi’s motives or in her pathetic legislative skills. Great Speaker, my ass. Henry Clay was a great Speaker of the House. Sam Rayburn was a great Speaker of the House. Pelosi’s not in their league.

      We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

      With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

      • #242598

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        I have little doubt that there are more Republican senators who would love to vote for removal but haven’t the balls to do so.   I’m equally sure that Nancy thinks the same.

        Delaying or not sending it to the senate gives Donnie more time to dig the hole he’s in deeper with his mouth.

        Image result for napoleon quote about not interfering with your enemy

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    David the Gnome
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    @bazukhov

    I’m sorry, but, what hole?  If he loses in 2020, he will probably star in a new reality show.  If he wins, he will just keep doing what he does.  The Senate isnt going to remove him – and if they did, no doubt we would hear all about it on the daily talk shows and such – everyone would want to interview the prick to get his “thoughts” on the matter.

    In terms of actual accountability or punishment though?  No indication, at all, that that is likely.  So… what hole you talking about?

    • #242609

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      The hole he continues digging for himself is about the 2020 election.  The more lies, deceptions, bombast, and trash talk he emotes just makes his dwindling chances of winning in 2020 even more remote.

      Hopefully, once he’s out of office his very shady financial/tax crimes will emerge and he will end up bankrupt (again) or in prison.

      I don’t really care about revenge, I just want his sorry ass out of the office.   Removal by the senate is at the very best a verrrrry long shot.   Getting kicked out by the voters is becoming more certain every time he opens his mouth and would be preferable to removal.  Although he and the imbeciles who vote for him will whine about “vote fraud” and the usual litany of excuses and conspiracy theories used by losers.

       

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  • #242614

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    The favorite candidates of the “establishment” seem to be PNAC Joe Biden and professional wine cave spelunker, Mayo Pete. And should the Senate be tied up with ImOrangement, those two would be free to campaign, while Bernie & Liz would be otherwise occupied by their “day jobs”.

    Coincidence?? Yeah, and I have beachfront property for sale at the Lake of Fire.

    I didn't refuse to vote for Hillary Clinton because any goddamned Russian told me to. I refused to vote for her because she is a warmongering, election stealing, Goldman Sachs fellating, Republican WHORE. No offense to sex workers.

  • #242615

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    @satan

    I might take you up on that, if the preachers are right about who can get into heaven.  Save me a spot eh?

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