Is This the Blueprint for Sanders and AOC to Take Over the Democratic Party?

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    • #319187
      JonLP
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      “When [Donald] Trump assumed the presidency after a 2016 election that Democrats should have won by a landslide …” writes John Nichols in his new book, “the crisis came into focus. It was not the Republican Party that was ruining our politics. Rather, the lack of a coherent and appealing opposition to the Republicans was the problem.”

      You have probably seen versions of this argument hundreds of times. It is the standard left-wing critique of the Democratic Party. The feckless Democrats keep losing because they stand for nothing. Having abandoned their progressive principles and sold out to the corporate Establishment, they have forfeited the trust voters had given them during the glorious New Deal era. Most of these critiques point to the 1970s as the moment when the party turned neoliberal and set itself along the path of political and moral ruin.

      But Nichols advances a different argument. In his new book, The Fight for the Soul of the Democratic Party, Nichols, the Nation’s national correspondent, locates the pivotal moment some three decades earlier. The Democrats lost their way in 1944, when they removed vice-president Henry Wallace from the ticket, denying him his place as Franklin Roosevelt’s successor. Wallace, argues Nichols, would have kept alive the New Deal flame that was instead extinguished by the moderate Harry Truman. Instead, Truman’s “great betrayal” (in Wallace’s words, which Nichols endorses) of Roosevelt’s legacy veered the Democrats onto the neoliberal path. “The lost soul of the Democratic Party was a man,” he argues, “and his name was Henry Wallace.”

      Nichols has ambitions beyond mere historical reinterpretation. He presents his history as a blueprint for the revival of the Democratic Party’s left wing, concluding with a rousing chapter casting Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as heirs to the Wallace tradition. His blurbs — from progressives like Sanders, Ro Khannna, Ilhan Omar, and Democratic Socialists of America director Maria Svart, rather than from historians — underscore Nichols’s vision of his protagonist as a redemptive model.

      https://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2020/05/bernie-sanders-aoc-dsa-socialism-democrats-progressives-henry-wallace-book.html

    • #319197
      eridani
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      –what they are planning to do about setting up and maintaining a national voter database.  No answers yet.

      Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

    • #319201
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      I have heard this put forward a number of times. One thing for certain, the Democratic Party is way off on the wrong foot. How wrong? Biden says he would veto Medicare for All. This isn’t even open to discussion.

      I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".

      Me

      • #319252
        ravensong
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        shows that he is either completely lacking comprehension of the urgent needs of the 99% with regard to the lethal economic and physical injustices the privatized health insurance/health care industry has inflicted upon us, or he is so completely owned by the private health insurance/health care industry that he doesn’t care if he loses to Trump, as long as wealthy private interests remain in control of the US government, and the systems upon which the citizenry is dependent for material existence.

        Opposing Medicare For All is totally a losing strategy.  Biden and his wealthy “Masters of the Universe” owners think that enough of us are so sick of Trump that we will vote for a Moderate Republican like Biden just to be rid of Trump.

        Biden’s opposition to Medicare For All clearly shows that he and his wealthy owners do not care if he loses. The most important thing to them is that the polarization of wealth continues to grow exponentially, and Biden, Trump, and their wealthy owners continue to prosper and gain more power control at the expense of the 99%.

        The private health insurance/health care industry causes great and incalculable amounts of suffering and even death to millions unsuspecting Americans because of its focus on making enormous profits rather than the health of the human beings it pretends to serve.

        Biden either doesn’t get it, or doesn’t give a shit. Like JPR member @mmonk said,

        “Centrist is a made up word for right wing politicians that aren’t Republicans.”

        Biden should drop out of the race now, for the good of the entire world, and let someone who genuinely cares about We The People to become POTUS.

        “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

        The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
        ~ Unknown

    • #319276
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      When the conservative wing of the Democratic Party filched the Vice-Presidency from him in 1944, Wallace soon left the party and ran on the Progressive Party ticket in 1948 against both Truman and Dewey. None of our so-called progressive leaders have even hinted at doing anything like that, or treat the idea of another political party as a possibility.

      I don’t think it’s possible for progressives to take over the Democratic Party, and I will not support another try. I think it’s a waste of time and resources that would be better spent trying something else. Exactly what that something else is I don’t know, but I do know that the Democrats are hopeless, and as far as I am concerned so is any Democratic officeholder who endorses Joe Biden for President.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

      • #319288
        JonLP
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        I strongly disagree with the nuclear bombing of Japan and the overall direction American foreign policy went after WW2. He also started the CIA mainly because he was tired of getting briefs from multiple different agencies and wanted to streamline the process. Hence the name Central Intelligence. Though he held off on some of the worst plans. They didn’t start doing coups until Eisenhower.

        However, he was in favor of civil rights before it was popular. Came up with the fair deal to fix the problems of the New Deal. He was in favor of universal health care and called out trickle down economics all the time. He was also for farm subsidies. He was left wing on economics compared to what we got today.

    • #319335
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      Bernie and AOC both won office in places with a very liberal constituency.   Which simply isn’t true for most of the rest of the country.  As Bernie found out in the primaries.

      I think Bernie lost the nomination when he refused to bend on health care when most voters wanted to have a choice about insurance.

      Even he and AOC now support Biden, not because they agree with him but like most Democrats they see him as the only alternative to Trump.

      There isn’t and won’t be a 3rd party that can beat Trump.

      Biden is a lot of things, some distasteful, but he’s a smart politician and realizes that most of the “Left” will vote for him.   He’s playing to the middle because where the votes he needs to win are.

       

      Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

      • #319337
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        @bazukhov Most Democratic voters are in favor of Medicare for All, including the ones who voted for Biden in the primaries, if exit polls are to be believed, and I believe they are. They voted for Biden because they believed all the corporatist propaganda that only Biden could beat Trump, when Bernie’s numbers vis-a-vis Trump were as high as Biden’s.

        But the media they ignorantly consume didn’t tell them that.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

        • #319341
          JonLP
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        • #319347
          bazukhov
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          I rest my case.   Trump was always the issue that most concerned Democrats.   They voted for the candidate that they believed (for whatever reason) could beat Trump.   In the end, it’s always about winning enough votes and convincing the voters that you’re the guy who can do the job.

          Biden, with a lot of help from the media and the DNC, did just that.   They put doubt about Bernie being able to take out Trump and it was enough to convince them that he might not be.

          Biden is a smart politician.  He kept his focus and insults on Trump without challenging or insulting the other candidates and gave the voters what they want.

          Was Bernie the better candidate to beat Trump?   I thought he would wipe the floor with Donnie.   We’ll never know.

           

          Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

      • #319340
        JonLP
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        Medicare for All won the primary. He was leading in the national polls then the 60 Minutes interview where one line over Cuba made a week of controversy and everyone brought back the cold war for the debate. He lost South Carolina then Biden got millions in free advertisement with gushing coverage compared to when Bernie won the first 3 states. Fuck them just thinking about it pisses me off. Matthews freaking out about executions in central park. Carville saying that Putin was the happiest person after Bernie won Nevada FUCK HIM I was the happiest person when Bernie won Nevada. Medicare for all did not cost him the nomination but the Bernie blackout did.

    • #319366
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      “… but the Bernie blackout did.”

      That and the Democratic election frauds in the states that counted.
      If we had a reasonably honest two party system, Bernie would have been elected president in 2016.

      We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.

      If you are wrong, it will be because you are not cynical enough.

      Both major political parties are special interest groups enabling each other for power and money, at the expense of the people they no longer properly serve…

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