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  • LaaDeeDaaVA (3510 posts)
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    Israel hack uncovered Russian spies' use of Kaspersky in 2015, report says

    Israel hack uncovered Russian spies’ use of Kaspersky in 2015, report says, 10/11/2017

    Information led to US decision to end use of company’s software across federal government in December

    An Israeli security agency hacked into Russian antivirus firm Kaspersky Lab in 2015, providing the crucial evidence required to ban the company from providing services to the US government, according to a report.

    While the Israeli spies were inside Kaspersky’s systems, they observed Russian spies in turn using the company’s tools to spy on American spies, the New York Times reports. That information, handed to the US, led to the decision in September to end the use of the company’s software across the federal government by December.

    The revelation answers some questions about the unfolding saga around Kaspersky Lab, a previously well-regarded information security firm founded in 1997 by Russian national Eugene Kaspersky. It seems to demonstrate why the US believes Kaspersky Lab software was involved in the hacking of an NSA contractor in 2015, as well as narrows down the nature of Kaspersky Lab’s supposed involvement in the Russian operation.

    [EDIT: However, there are many questions that the Israeli hack failed to answer, but are crucial for Kaspersky, such as whether Russia was a willing participant in the espionage, or whether Russia even knew about the espionage.]


    [caption id="" align="alignnone" width="620"] Israeli security has had a tense relationship with Kaspersky Lab since the company’s research on Stuxnet, a specialised piece of malware created by the US and Israel to harm Iran’s nuclear industry. Photograph: Courtesy/REX/Shutterstock[/caption]


    The Russian government exercises tight control over domestic and foreign high-tech industries operating within its borders. In June 2017, it began demanding the source code for certain software imported, ostensibly to search for “backdoors” inserted by foreign intelligence agencies. In practice, it’s widely believed that the Russian security agency scans the source code for undisclosed vulnerabilities it can use to improve its own hacking prowess.




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  • bemildred (6905 posts)
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    1. Spy Spin Fuels Anti-Kaspersky Campaign

    Since May 2017 certain U.S. circles openly campaign against security products provided by the Russian company Kaspersky Labs. Three recent stories claim involvement of the software in rather fantastic “Russian hackers” stories. But these stories seem inconsistent, lack logic and evidence.

    If one believes all the claims Israel hacked Kaspersky, which was hacking an NSA employee who had stolen NSA hacks, while being hacked by Russia which was hacked by the NSA while it was warned by Israel about Russian hacks. Makes sense?

    The Russian company Kaspersky Lab makes and sells the probably best anti-virus protection software available. All anti-virus software packages need full access to the system they run one. It is the only way to assure that the packages themselves are not compromised by some super-virus. Anti-virus packages upload malware they find for further analysis. They also update themselves through a secure internet connection. This enables the product to detect new viruses soon after they have been discovered in the wild. Both of the characteristics, full system access and online-update, make these tools inherently dangerous. They can be abused either by their producer or by someone who infiltrates the producers systems.

    Computer geeks call such products “snake-oil” as they promise a grade of security that can not be guaranteed, even while they themselves constitute a significant security risk. One either must trust such anti-virus packages or not use them at all.


    It ain't the things you don't know that hurts you, it's the things you know that ain't so.
    • LaaDeeDaaVA (3510 posts)
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      2. Wow. First thought was this is an extension of our Red Scare Redux.

      Unfortunately, I was right.  Thanks for posting – love MofA.  :fistbump:

      More from MofA:

      There is fear mongering, without any evidence, that Kaspersky may cooperate with the Russian government. Similar accusations could be made about any anti-virus product. U.S. and British spies systematically target all anti-virus products and companies:

      The British spy agency regarded the Kaspersky software in particular as a hindrance to its hacking operations and sought a way to neutralize it.


      In February 2015 Kaspersky announced that it found U.S. and UK government spying and sabotage software infecting computers in various foreign countries. Later that year the CIA and FBI tried to recruit Kaspersky employees but were warned off. In June 2015 Kaspersky Lab detected a breach in its own systems by an Israeli government malware. It published an extensive autopsy of the breach and the malware programs used in it.

      That the U.S. government now attempts to damage Kaspersky [which makes some 60% of its total revenues in the U.S.] is likely a sign that Kaspersky products continue to be a hard-target that the NSA and GCHQ find difficult to breach.   [Bold, my edit.]


      Until lions have their own historians, tales of the hunt will always glorify the hunter.    African proverb  


    • frylock (1532 posts)
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      5. Been using Kaspersky on multiple home systems for over 10 years now.

      I have no intention of moving to another product based upon this nonsense being pushed. Kaspersky AV did exactly what it was intended to do when the NSA contractor connected their USB drive that contained NSA hacking tools.

  • Satan (3512 posts)
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    3. Perhaps the Israeli spies would prefer that people use Zone Alarm instead?

    Because giving Mossad a free back door into your computer is so much better than those damn vodka swilling commies, right?

    Never liked Zone Alarm…. even back in the Windows 98 days it was resource hogging bloated crap. Almost as bad as Norton or McAfee in terms of impact on PC performance.

    I didn't refuse to vote for Hillary Clinton because any goddamned Russian told me to. I refused to vote for her because she is a warmongering, election stealing, Goldman Sachs fellating, Republican WHORE. No offense to sex workers.
  • leveymg (4286 posts)
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    4. I was thinking last night about the Israeli link to Russia, Russia, Russia.

    It seems that all sides use each others pirated spyware to infect third-parties.  That can be done simply to sheep-dip one’s own hackers or as a way to set up targets for false flag attacks.  When done strategically, to cause controlled mayhem in international relations, it’s by far the most effective tool at the lowest potential cost.  If caught hacking with someone else’s tool kit, you can still plausibly deny everything.

    If I were Israeli, and since I could get away with it, why not set Russia and America at each others throats?  It would be such fine cover for all the messing around I might do with both of their internal affairs and international policies.

    In any case, thanks for posting this.