It’s time to impeach Biden for interference in the internal affairs of a sovereign nation.

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    • #467216
      jbnw
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      “Significantly, under modern international law, the principle of nonintervention is an international legal norm under Article 2(4) and Article 2(7) of the United Nations (UN) Charter.” ( https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2158244019840911 )

      The most recent example is US sanctions against two democratically elected members of the Rada. As reported by the Kyiv Independent, “The Kremlin-linked individuals were sanctioned because they ‘engaged in Russian government-directed influence activities to destabilize Ukraine.'” ( https://kyivindependent.com/national/us-treasury-announces-sanctions-against-four-pro-kremlin-ukrainians/ )

      The statement effectively declares that they have committed treason against Ukraine. Ukraine did not say this; is was the US.

      And, of course, Joe Biden has bragged publicly about getting the Prosecutor General of Ukraine fired, which is again interference in internal affairs.

      Two publicly documented cases; it’s time to him to be impeached and removed.

    • #467229
      retired liberal
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      Thought so.

      We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
      If Row vs. Wade is overturned, women could lose the right to not get pregnant in 26 states.
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    • #467231
      Ohio Barbarian
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      It’s just meaningless theater without that.

      Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

      The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

      • #467235
        jbnw
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        • #467255
          Ohio Barbarian
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          The Republicans can’t pick up 17 Senate seats in 2022. They could gain 14 max, and that includes places like the West Coast states and Hawaii. Ain’t happenin’. No way, no how. At best, they’ll pick up 5 or 6. There’s no way a dozen Democratic senators would vote to remove Biden from office.

           

          Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

          The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

          • #467258
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            But I agree – it’s unlikely.  A President has never been removed from office.

            I think the 25th Amendment is much more likely, though.

            Of course, it doesn’t mean he should be impeached and removed from office . . .

            • #467260
              Ohio Barbarian
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              Be careful what you wish for. She is a truly horrible person, and if anything is even more stupid and arrogant than Biden.

              Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

              The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

              • #467271
                jbnw
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                I would take her as President over Biden – my hope is that she wouldn’t risk nuclear war as Biden is.

                I could be wrong – and I hate even having to consider that. It’s a worry I didn’t have with Trump.

    • #467283
      Snort McDork
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      @ohiobarbarian

      That’s Vice President “Scamala” Harris.

      Then again, it could be “Scramola” or “Scrambled”

      Pick the one you like best. Doesn’t matter to me.

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    • #467289
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      Interfering with sovereign countries is what the US does as a matter of course.  That is pretty much what the Department of State and the CIA are all about, seems to me.  IMO, etc.  But that is not a can of worms that Congress will open, methinks.

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    • #467297
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      Sigh……. I wish the people of this country gave a crap about anything other then their cell phone.  I wish we had a solid educational system so we new what, where and how other countries function. Most people in this country fell for the wars of choice, fell for the CIA coups, and color revolutions, and of course Rachel mad cow politics. People tell me it is because they are doing all they can just to survives, bull  they are more interested in their football games their cell phones, and their next beer.  They think they are informed because they read or listen to NPR or the NYT. Mean while we are headed to WW3 because we have the same lazy un educated nut jobs running the country and americans are totally clueless.

      Earthartist

      • #467320
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        They asked if I was glad that Trump no longer had his finger on the nuclear button, and were shocked when I said Biden scared me more as there is talk of nuclear war, including in his press conference. Never happened before in my life.

    • #467351
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      Most people don’t even know this! Crazy. But considering that the Democrats mostly but republican as well have been serving up Russia China hate for most of my life I am not all that surprised. In the meantime more planes dropping off more weapons in Ukraine. More american terrorists on the way and of course a group of american Nazis as well

      Earthartist

    • #467457
      eridani
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      The US has been interfering with foreign nations since the turn of the 20th century.

      Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

      • #467643
        Voltairine
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        What’s wrong with “better later than never”?

        Cf. I’ve been beating you and stealing your lollipops now for three decades. Would it silly for you to stop accepting how I treat you, just because I’ve been horrible to you for so long, and you grown accustomed to being my victim?

        Sounds like what you are really saying, that like most Muricans you’ve been de facto imperialist so long that you’ve grown so accustomed to it that you think it’s normal and will go on as usual. Well it isn’t really normal, and these aren’t usual times.

        Aloha!

        • #467658
          eridani
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          –is what, exactly?

          Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

          • #467684
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            There’s no actual need to try to stop what is foundationally unsustainable – as imperialism is. The worst utopian thinking is the te belief that the status quo could continue. No, what is unsustainable can’t continue, and the whole thing is collapsing.

            The real question thus becomes, what to build and how? My own modest suggestion is to let state and class borders vanish, and build world peace and global inclusive society based on decentralized p2p ledgers and gift economy, where as long as money etc. numerical social contracts are needed, they are voluntary mutual gifts. Other’s may have even better ideas, and I hope and trust they do.

            Aloha!

    • #467690
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      Yadda yadda yadda, it’s a shame how inartfully and venally it can and has been used, but if impeaching Biden meant some purple State Senate Democrats would pay a price no matter what they said, or how they said they’d vote, then Republicans might entertain the idea of at least heavily talking it up, and depending on how that played, tell the House to git ‘er done.

      And the shitty precedent of the House doing it in a perfunctory matter has been established.

      And the opposite holds, if polling shows that even though a majority of voters thought Biden deserved to be removed, but an impeachment would backfire in terms of how voters in purple districts and states would respond, then the Republicans would sit on their hands, and say that the Democrats brought Biden to the dance, so they should have to take him home. Meaning let the cabinet do it, or have the New York Times and Washington post insist that Biden resign, and/or the Republicans insist that the impeachment votes be -bipartisan, and close to being evenly supported. That way everybody would get to stick their finger in the air, and vote accordingly.

      P.S. Biden staying in office until his staying becomes a scandal that reeks to high heaven would further tarnish Kamala Harris, being as she is Biden’s partner, and from the beginning in on the scam to nominate a guy in mental decline. Plus if Biden is seen to blame for the Democrats losing badly in November, then his resigning afterwards would look to be a partly political move as implemented by the Democrats. That could help invalidate in the public’s eyes the legitimacy of Harris, and cause bad feelings for Biden’s remaining supporters.

      And if that is the case then the Republicans would pull their punches against Harris in hopes that she ran for the nomination in 2024. Then they’d hit her with everything, from her questionable prosecutions, not releasing prisoners because the fought fires, and her start in politics which was helped because Willie Brown, a married man in an already open marriage, got to have sex with her. And that as just the lead-up to critiquing her uninspired, even clumsy, time as VEEP before becoming President.

      Every time a Democratic House of Cards collapses, the Republicans pounce, having been waiting in the wings, and ready, willing, and able, to play as dirty as needed to put that collapsed House of Cards on fire.

      Nixon, Reagan, and Dubya, getting elected being examples of that.

      P.P.S. I expect mostly just talk, as talk is cheap and yet it can still be really effective. Going after Biden could be easy, defending him hard, and not defending him coming with a price.

      Chuck Schumer might be very worried right now, and not primarily over Biden’s fate. AOC has close to zero responsibility for Biden being President, she supported Sanders. The public could decide that between Biden, and Hillary Clinton again, there is now a need to put to pasture some of Washington’s fossils who are still exerting power. And Chuck Schumer could take a hit from that sentiment. On top of that it could be the case that given his connection to Wall Street, he’ll be seen by some voters as deserving to be blamed for a faltering economy.

      New York City’s mayor, and the new Governor, would likely favor Schumer, but they too would have their fingers in the wind.

      To think that she’s gone from being a long shot to unseat an incumbent Democratic Congressman, to being talked of as if she might unseat Charles “Master of the Senate” Schumer, just wow.

       

       

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    • #467705
      Bernie Boomer
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      if you think you can get both the House and the Senate behind this.
      Occasionally they will – if they manage to work their feigned moral outrage up enough – vote to try an impeachment in the House and even more occasionally the Senate will take them up on it.
      But when is the last time a president has been found guilty? Removed from office?

      Never. Congress doesn’t like to impeach.
      And this is definitely not the Congress that will change that record.

      • #467729
        jbnw
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        for political reasons, even when they know there is a 0% chance of the Senate removing the President from office.

        • #467817
          Bernie Boomer
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          As long as they can be sure their other half won’t do squat. Political theatre on steroids.

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