JDS: Why Are Progressives Voting for Ultimate Screwing of America? With Max Blumenthal

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    Passionate Progressive
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    The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.....Martin Luther King '63

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    The left has given up.  It’s been this way for a long time.  The majority of liberals and progressives have resigned themselves to a reality in which the march to Empire cannot be halted, nor even meaningfully slowed, and therefore a “go along to get along” strategy is the only one remaining that will divert a few crumbs from the corporate table to the people at large.  Worse, when others stand up and claim otherwise, demanding positive progressive change, the defeated liberals attack the progressives for not going along and therefore wrecking the plan.  Pointing out that “the plan” is fatally flawed only makes them angrier.

     

     

    His body recovered from his torment and became hale,
    but the shadow of his pain was in his heart;
    and he lived to wield his sword with left hand
    more deadly than his right had been.

    • #295349

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      @maehros

      iow Sanders is too late to save the system.

      The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.....Martin Luther King '63

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        It may be that too many on the left have learned to love Big Brother.

        Honestly?  We could solve our problems in 2-3 election cycles, but that would require:

        1.  A voting system that isn’t compromised
        2. Young people voting in numbers
        3. Liberals and progressives abandoning the Democratic Party because it has proven to be feckless

        I doubt any of those things are very realistic.

        His body recovered from his torment and became hale,
        but the shadow of his pain was in his heart;
        and he lived to wield his sword with left hand
        more deadly than his right had been.

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    It wasn’t their idea to join the corporate and working class stimulus packages. They didn’t have the votes to stop that in our corrupt Congress. It was presented to them as a fait accompli. If they vote No, they’re crucified in the media and, understandably, with much of the public for holding up the few crumbs the ruling class was willing to throw their way.

    So they vote Yes because it does do a lot of good for tens of millions of people who desperately need the help, and leftist pundits like Jimmy Dore pillory them for selling us out. Lose/lose.

    Shame on people like Jimmy Dore and Jamarl Thomas for showing a lack of empathy for others faced with a Hobson’s Choice. At least Kyle Kulinski admitted he understood why they voted the way they did, while claiming he would not have supported the stimulus package. All I can say to that is, “Easy for you to say.”

    I’m not going to damn legislators who were boxed into a corner like these people were.

    Our whole political system is corrupt and needs to be completely restructured. A few Congresspeople and Senators can do nothing to even start that process with a vote right now, in these circumstances. It’s going to take a lot more than electoral politics to get that done.

    It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

    If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

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      It really shows.  I tend to agree with your assessment that Bernie et al. were boxed in.  However, Dore’s analysis is still correct – the bill screws us really, really badly.

      His body recovered from his torment and became hale,
      but the shadow of his pain was in his heart;
      and he lived to wield his sword with left hand
      more deadly than his right had been.

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        Ohio Barbarian
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        @maedhros A corporate coup with good rations thrown to many and nothing thrown to many who also need it. I get it. I just don’t think we should blame the ones who tried to head it off and got steamrolled by a goliath of a corrupt system that we Americans have tolerated for way too long.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

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          @maedhros, @ohiobarbarian

          I’m done with calling a sow’s ear a silk purse…..Part of the solution to the problem is acknowledging that you have a problem….Selling a sxxx sandwich as somehow good for people makes the problem worse as if it could get any worse…..As I observed in the first comment if the problem is this bad, perhaps Sanders is too late….I mean as Noam Chomsky recently pointed out, the pandemic is going to eventually going away…But it offers a teaching moment or two on the other two (+) crises of climate change and nuclear annihilation….So far the batting average isn’t that great…and portends what can be expected in three or more (if we’re lucky) years when the planet really begins to melt.  As well meaning as they may be, it also should be recognized that they are outliers.    I give Dore not only the credit for being correct in pointing out the flaws but in being courageous enough to tell the truth.

          The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.....Martin Luther King '63

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